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Not trying to be arrogant here, but who listens to this?

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Saw this today in the twitterverse. Grainger seems out of place. I’m a 4 anyway.

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Listening to live concerts with contemporary composition is simply the most fun. And the past few days I had some opportunity to attend several performances. The day before yesterday, e.g. besides Mozart and Beethoven in Potsdam (Germany), a piece by Jörg Widmann,

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Here is a video of this modern piece to enjoy online:


Every music room should have an acoustic rock-climbing wall.
 

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I'd previously seen the non-classical version:

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... I seem to reach disattached levels per both genre systems.

Fyi Detached from the Social Dogma was a prog-rock track by Mindless Paradise a few years back:

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Not bad despite being not my thing so much, but filling in the dots is always fun.
 
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quite an interesting collection of comments and links in this thread... I enjoyed reading and hearing them... Thank You...

additionally, thanks to the OP for kicking it off with a subtle but polite tone of disbelief...
 

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Saw this today in the twitterverse. Grainger seems out of place. I’m a 4 anyway.

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Love the scale update.

I was reading about Feldman's nearly 3 hour long* For Christian Wolff, and I wondered where this would put me on this scale if I made it through the whole thing (or was even contemplating it.)

* at least in the Bridge recording:

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the other day Roon randomly served up the piece that kicked this off. Couldn't help but think of this thread.

Although Roon comes up with some weird matches, and this was not an exception. I think it had been riffing on a Brahms intermezzo for an hour or so.
 

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Saw this today in the twitterverse. Grainger seems out of place. I’m a 4 anyway.

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While he's mainly known for light music and band arrangements, Grainger had an interest in experimental music. From Wikipedia

Among various new ideas, Grainger introduced his so-called "free-music" theories. He believed that conformity with the traditional rules of set scales, rhythms and harmonic procedures amounted to "absurd goose-stepping", from which music should be set free.[89] He demonstrated two experimental compositions of free music, performed initially by a string quartet and later by the use of electronic theremins.[7] He believed that ideally, free music required non-human performance, and spent much of his later life developing machines to realise this vision.

He was also, apparently, some kind of "Nordic" supremacist and a sado-masochist, which may add to the "weirdness" factor.

Also, Messiaen is misspelled.
 

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I also find the graphics with the scale of musical extravagance funny. I am probably somewhere off the charts.

A few days ago I heard the Arditti Quartet playing Rihm material. They're real veteran contemporary music specialists who I've been listening to on and off for decades. When I saw them now at the manor house Edenkoben (Germany), I thought we had become quite old men together.

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There are many examples of this ensemble on YouTube. Also with material by Brian Ferneyhough, which sounds beautiful, I think.

 
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In the German newspaper 'ZEIT' I read a review about the harpist Kathrin Pechlof, who is presented as an unconventional jazz musician. But she also plays composed solo pieces from sheet music in the style of 'Neue Musik' using extreme playing techniques. This is exemplified by the following piece, which I like very much.

If I understand it correctly, she will be releasing a vinyl record soon. So I have made a note of that.

 

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Hi Tom,

the new album might also appear on streaming services, which is the normal way nowadays, and then you have it. For example, this is an older album I have found among others on Deezer:

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There's already a lot of her work on YouTube. I wrote her an e-mail, but did not get a response so far.

I'm always happy when I find a piece of music that appeals to me enough to buy it as a vinyl LP to listen to on the classic analogue stereo system. Unfortunately, that happens only rarely nowadays.
 
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Let's see how long we can still experience contemporary music that really comes from the pen of masters and not from an Artificial Intelligence. What will remain respectable and what will be completely pointless and arbitrarily interchangeable.

With some of today's pieces, one could already think that they were automatically generated on the computer in 5 seconds with a short prompt.

 

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Yesterday I listened to Ghost Flower by Ken Ueno performed on guitar by Dan Lippel. I think it might be a multitrack recording. I think the instrument is one of John Schneider's micro-tonal guitars.

Ken Ueno is a friend, a former member of my band Blood Money, and a very good composer. I rate some of his compositions up with any of the modernists. It's comforting that he still pursues an aesthetic that was never much in fashion in the USA and is well out now.

I found Ghost Flower to be exciting to listen to. Its harmony is alien at first but becomes coherent through repetition and by relation to the harmonics of the scales used. I found myself very curious to find how it would end.

 

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He was our band's singer.
A matter of taste.
It may be that I just haven't heard the right pieces that I might also like. I only had a quick listen to the band in question.

I usually love the extended playing techniques of classical instruments. But I don't like it that much with vocals. Burps and shrieks don't work for me at all.
 

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Saw this today in the twitterverse. Grainger seems out of place. I’m a 4 anyway.

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That's funny.

However, Nancarrow and Varese belong at Level 3. Nancarrow sounds like sped up Phillip Glass, and who is Level 1. And Ionization is always a crowd pleaser at concerts, although less so at dinner parties I find. Just because I'm disattached from the social dogma doesn't mean I listen to Ferneyhough or Carter. And how is Berg deeper than Penderecki?
 

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...not to be arrogant but it looks like a lot of people listen to this...

...thanks for posting...!!!...

I have to admit that that title has been bugging me for a while.

And while I'm at it: that bit of Messiaen isn't even that difficult to listen to, unless you are only familiar with diatonic piano noodling.
 
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