Not just Snake Oil... but patented Snake Oil. Any IP lawyers with insight?

[Deleted member 43957]

Was this really worth paying for a patent?

If they weighed the cost against the benefit of being able to advertise the patent... for 17 years so far and counting... at 95% margins... maybe it is. It was to them. This really was the motivation for the title of the thread... "Not just Snake Oil... but patented Snake Oil."

 

[Salt]

Took me 10seconds for creation ... Will patent it tomorrow (not the garlic crusher, but who knows if it's patented?)

 

[Kremmen]

Having carefully analysed the properties of the exquisite Dedicated Audio cable lifter that is the subject of this thread (and it's role in SIGNIFICANTLY enhancing the sound of the hi-fi systems it is partnered with), I have determined that in order for it to perform its role as optimally as possible, it too needs to be very carefully mounted on a dedicated lifter, or a 'Lifter-Lifter' if you will. (Please note: the term Lifter-Lifter is now a registered trade mark.)

I have, as of this evening, designed and created over 7,000 prototype Lifter-Lifters, prototypes that have led to the creation of a product that not only represents the next revolution in audio technology, but is GUARANTEED to deliver a state of audio nirvana, or your money back.

More astounding still, I fully expect to offer to you, my fellow ASR members, this revolution in audio technology for the bargain price of $245 per Lifter-Lifter (for the initial production run only), after which each Lifter-Lifter will priced at a more realistic $345. Even then, I will make no more than $1 profit on each Lifter-Lifter sold. I may even, dare I suggest, make a loss. That, my fellow ASR members, is my gift (and my very heavy sacrifice) to you all. Not convinced?

Details to follow.

Thank you, and goodnight.

 

[egellings]

Having carefully analysed the properties of the exquisite Dedicated Audio cable lifter that is the subject of this thread (and it's role in SIGNIFICANTLY enhancing the sound of the hi-fi systems it is partnered with), I have determined that in order for it to perform its role as optimally as possible, it too needs to be very carefully mounted on a dedicated lifter, or a 'Lifter-Lifter' if you will. (Please note: the term Lifter-Lifter is now a registered trade mark.)

I have, as of this evening, designed and created over 7,000 prototype Lifter-Lifters, prototypes that have led to the creation of a product that not only represents the next revolution in audio technology, but is GUARANTEED to deliver a state of audio nirvana, or your money back.

More astounding still, I fully expect to offer to you, my fellow ASR members, this revolution in audio technology for the bargain price of $245 per Lifter-Lifter (for the initial production run only), after which each Lifter-Lifter will priced at a more realistic $345. Even then, I will make no more than $1 profit on each Lifter-Lifter sold. I may even, dare I suggest, make a loss. That, my fellow ASR members, is my gift (and my very heavy sacrifice) to you all. Not convinced?

Details to follow.

Thank you, and goodnight.

Next up; Lifter lifter lifter! Come out with a stackable model. The higher the stack of lifters, the better the sound.

 

[Salt]

Next up; Lifter lifter lifter! Come out with a stackable model. The higher the stack of lifters, the better the sound.

Beware of room modes (that needs lifting protectors) ...

 

[egellings]

Beware of room modes (that needs lifting protectors) ...

Those will need to be stackable as well. Gotta build in a future revenue stream.

 

[G|force]

Where does diminishing returns surface when you go all in for a multi-lifter solution?

 

[mhardy6647]

Took me 10seconds for creation ... Will patent it tomorrow (not the garlic crusher, but who knows if it's patented?) View attachment 465460

You're not seriously suggesting a conductive cable elevator, are you???

 

[mhardy6647]

Oh, by the way -- and stealing from my own material -- the true, hardcore audiophile doesn't lift their cables.

Post in thread 'A physicist explains why we need cable lifters...'

Jan 12, 2023

I cannot thank the OP enough for starting this thread.
It has had a catalytic effect on me.
In fact, I am starting a new audiophile tweak company later this afternoon.

Take audio system performance to a new level!
Forget cable lifters!!
Try Dr. Hardy's* floor lowerers!
Lower your physical floor and your noise floor at the same time!
30 day complete money back guarantee**.

___________________
* I'm a biochemist, but, hey, a doctorate's...

• mhardy6647

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They lower their floor.

 

[Deleted member 43957]

Oh, by the way -- and stealing from my own material -- the true, hardcore audiophile doesn't lift their cables.

Post in thread 'A physicist explains why we need cable lifters...'

Jan 12, 2023

I cannot thank the OP enough for starting this thread.
It has had a catalytic effect on me.
In fact, I am starting a new audiophile tweak company later this afternoon.

Take audio system performance to a new level!
Forget cable lifters!!
Try Dr. Hardy's* floor lowerers!
Lower your physical floor and your noise floor at the same time!
30 day complete money back guarantee**.

___________________
* I'm a biochemist, but, hey, a doctorate's...

• mhardy6647

• 

They lower their floor.

As a biochemist... you know that the most popular cable lifter for a phool of a certain age is...

 

[mhardy6647]

As a biochemist... you know that the most popular cable lifter for a phool of a certain age is...

View attachment 465493

Dude -- I worked for those guys.
Not by design, though... they bought us.

As I, with a nod to an old Price-Pfister Pfaucet Faucet Company slogan, like to call them -- The Pfabulous Pfarmaceutical Company with the Pfunny name.

 

[egellings]

Where does diminishing returns surface when you go all in for a multi-lifter solution?

When the wallet is empty.

 

[rdenney]

Oh, by the way -- and stealing from my own material -- the true, hardcore audiophile doesn't lift their cables.

Post in thread 'A physicist explains why we need cable lifters...'

Jan 12, 2023

I cannot thank the OP enough for starting this thread.
It has had a catalytic effect on me.
In fact, I am starting a new audiophile tweak company later this afternoon.

Take audio system performance to a new level!
Forget cable lifters!!
Try Dr. Hardy's* floor lowerers!
Lower your physical floor and your noise floor at the same time!
30 day complete money back guarantee**.

___________________
* I'm a biochemist, but, hey, a doctorate's...

• mhardy6647

• 

They lower their floor.

Some of the chi-chi amps I’ve seen might well have that exact result.

Rick “home audio shouldn’t require a forklift” Denney

 

[PristineSound]

A patent doesn't validate any claims nor pseudoscience or legit science; it's just a patent on the design and the method.

 

[Laika2]

In another thread, I went OT when I went off about Dedicated Audio's patented cable lifters, so I wanted to address it here, how patents are used to market snake oil. On Dedicated Audio's website they market their own cable lifters, with impressive claims and BOLDLY list the patent number as seen here. (Did they think that no one would look it up?) https://www.dedicatedaudio.com/coll...e-tower-v2-audio-video-cable-support-kit-of-4

US PATENT #D565,389

• Decrease Smear - Increase Resolution
• Uninterrupted Cable Flux Field
• Controls Resonance
• Unequaled Performance Design
• Low Contact Surface Area
• Stable Four Point Design
• Two Cable Support Capability
• Extremely Low Dielectric Constant
• Low Capacitance to Ground Test Results
• Exceedingly Low Insertion Capacitance
• Accepts Cables to 1.4" - 37mm
• 4.5"/11.5cm Tall - 3.5"/9.0cm Wide
• State of the Art CNC Machined Acrylic
• Made in USA

CABLE TOWER design, trademarks and patents are solely owned by Dedicated Audio LLC
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Another member posted "I am not quite sure how one patents a device that holds something up off the ground." So, I looked up the patent, expecting to see these claims in the application or patent itself, they were not. (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/5b/91/51/164581477b210f/USD565389.pdf)

The only claim is: "The ornamental design for a cable Support, as shown and described". That's it, no mention of "flux field, performance, dialectic constant", etc. Nothing about function whatsoever as touted on the site, only ornamental design.

Is this taking the practice of validating Snake Oil one step further, to be able to market the design patent as one of function?
Does that make it even more nefarious, that they filed for a design, so they could market the patent as functionality? Yes. I think it does.

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This would be analogous to patenting a new color, Vantablack for example, then attributing therapeutic qualities that have not been tested or proven and marketing it as "patented".

Another egregious example is P.S. Audio. How many patents held by P.S. Audio have been proven to not do what they claim when put through Amir's testing? https://patents.justia.com/assignee/ps-audio

"PS Audio holds patents for several technologies in the audio field, particularly in the areas of power regulation and audio transducers. One key area of innovation and patented technology for PS Audio has been in the area of AC power regeneration. The company introduced the Power Plant Premier, which utilized a patented tracking AC technology for AC regenerators. This technology aimed to provide cleaner and more stable power to audio components, improving their performance. The PerfectWave line of AC regenerators is the current generation of this technology."

I'm not a lawyer, patent holder or engineer. Any knowledgeable insight is welcome.

As someone who pratices, just like you can sue anyone for anything (but you will fail in court, you can patent anything just about, it's just a filling. The patent can be challenged with a earlier similar patent. In this case I can't see that happening.

It does give a stamp of something innovative, new and valid to most unless you understand the process.

 

[Cbdb2]

Even there "technical" data has been manipulated even though its nonsense. Stray capacitance test graph looks like the capacitance is only 1/3 of the ceramic buts its only 20% less and thats only .03pf!!! differance. Is that even measurable? What a load of crap!!
Typical speaker wire is 25pf/m.