You ask if there is anything of practical value in this thread. I have gone through themes of general, theoretical interest. But I will try and illustrate by a practical example too. Case studies are important!
What have we learned about vox populi in audio?
In Toole (2016), we have seen that by arranging a “market” consisting of 28 consumers who are to reveal their preferences for speakers, the designer of the “market” thinks he can infer a general theory of what constitutes the superior speaker, and what characteristics that make a good or bad speaker.
A closer look at the key word “preference” reveals that the author has a less strict understanding of this important term than experts on rationality and choice. It’s evident that “preferences” in audio change from one group to the next, which is problematic for many reasons, for example meaningful measurements.
So we have a situation where we measure something (“preference”), which is not fully defined and changes from one group to the next, possibly over time too, and we compare these unstable “preferences” to certain speaker characteristics which we cannot fully control for in a statistical sense. We have no possibility of doing ceteris paribus analyses. Do both definitions and measurement methods (i.e. a so called theorization and commensurability problem) deserve to be questioned? If so, it’s like opening a can of worms.
The author expects order, i.e. insight into relevant and irrelevant speaker characteristics to emerge out of what started as chaos based on his single interview with Mr. Market. That is optimistic, but obviously an enticing market story for some.
For comparison: The real masters of factor analyses, academics in financial economics, have access to vast databases of millions of datapoints over decades, sometimes over a century. Yet they’re criticized for creating a factor zoo, seeing patterns that are not there despite fancy p-values. In audio, it seems like one concludes strongly on a much thinner data material than in other sciences.
To me, some of the research in audio science seems to have a commercial end in sight. What is called “science” here is what one often associates with market research and surveys in other fields.
My point is, it doesn’t hurt to read audio science with a dose of skepticism. Some of our beliefs may rest on a foundation that is less robust than many thought.
I started replying to this and then realised you have been banned. However I'm sure you will still read this as a non contributing viewer however.
We have learned precisely nothing from your contribution in this thread. Apart from the fact that you have a spectacular lack of understanding and knowledge of the subjects involved. You clearly haven't done anything but skimmed the Toole et al research and allowed your own biased opinions to cloud pretty much everything you have written. It's so obviously agenda driven it beggars belief.
Couple this to your clear lack of self awareness and arrogance, your contribution, well more like diatribe, has been the antithesis of scientific. In fact its just been trolling in a pseudo intellectual form. Your repeated assertion that members don't intelligently consider the basis of information and data presented to them in research is insulting to everyone here.
I sincerely hope @Floyd Toole hasnt been put off from contributing to this forum due to this nonsense as he is someone we can genuinely learn from.
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