Nordost Tyr 2 Review (USB Cable)

[Chrispy]

Mine are too;

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JSmith

Just makes one wonder about first world complaints

 

[MaxBuck]

When does Nordost intend to release its audiophile-quality wifi router? It seems like a money-making opportunity is going begging here.

 

[Blumlein 88]

Introducing AirStream, Audiophile Wireless Router from Fidelizer Audio | Fidelizer.Audio

Today I'd like to introduce a new product I've been working for over a year now. It's a wireless router with modification that can bring high fidelity audio in the air for the first time.

www.fidelizer-audio.com

Relatively low cost for an audiophile item at $495.

After a lot of research and development, here’s how Fidelizer brings high fidelity audio to the air:


-Upgrade Capacitors with high capacitance and low impedance tuned in 3 different stages for optimal sonic performance
-Upgrade Safety resistors with high power from Vishay Dale on DC input stage, power regulation stage, and isolation transformer stage
-Re-energize power supply with special tantalum capacitors to reducing noise and interference in processor chip effectively
-Crystal clock is upgraded with high precision clock optimized for network application with noise reduction tweaks
-Components are soldered with high quality solder providing solid bass and dynamics
-Router is configured for low-latency audiophile streaming applications


Then there is this for $999 of course I think you have to also buy a switch if you want any ethernet routing for an additional $595:

The Linear Solution - OXCO AUDIOPHILE ROUTER

The Linear Solution - OCXO AUDIOPHILE ROUTER

thelinearsolution.com

 

[Sal1950]

It seems like a money-making opportunity is going begging here.

Please Max, Don't stir the snake-oil pot. LOL

 

[JSmith]

When does Nordost intend to release its audiophile-quality wifi router?

I think this mob has it covered;

Phoenix NET - Innuos Audiophile-grade Network Switch

The PhoenixNET is the realization of Innuos' philosophy of simplicity and signal purity applied to the network switch.

innuos.com

Yeah... that's right.


JSmith

 

[Garrincha]

I think this mob has it covered;

Phoenix NET - Innuos Audiophile-grade Network Switch

The PhoenixNET is the realization of Innuos' philosophy of simplicity and signal purity applied to the network switch.

innuos.com

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JSmith

Always when you think a limit has been reached, they manage to pass it, but unfortunately not in sound quality but in bogus.

 

[DonR]

I think this mob has it covered;

Phoenix NET - Innuos Audiophile-grade Network Switch

The PhoenixNET is the realization of Innuos' philosophy of simplicity and signal purity applied to the network switch.

innuos.com

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Yeah... that's right.


JSmith

Typical IT network switches/routers are designed with the sole purpose of taking data from A to B with a noise floor and precision that is "enough" for the rate of transmission. This is fine for data networks but when sensitive components such as DACs and Pre-Amplifiers are involved, it will have an audible impact on sound quality

Someone can't separate the medium from the message.

 

[H-713]

Mine are too;

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JSmith

Dude, how did you get a pic of my lab?

 

[proxysd]

You're not measuring the right thing. USB cables do not change the D/A conversion of your topping DX3 pro. USB cables only impact the timing of usb audio packets, from the computer to the dac. Before the D/A chip.

Ultimately, you cannot see a difference if the dac has a reclocking function. (like all dac with xmos chips).

 

[voodooless]

You're not measuring the right thing. USB cables do not change the D/A conversion of your topping DX3 pro. USB cables only impact the timing of usb audio packets, from the computer to the dac. Before the D/A chip.

That's the whole point, right? The only thing that counts is the DAC output. So if cable A gives the exact same output as cable B, and one is 100x as expensive, guess if it's worth the money...

Ultimately, you cannot see a difference if the dac has a reclocking function. (like all dac with xmos chips).

Not a single self-respecting DAC uses synchronous USB audio anymore, for good reason.

 

[blodsbror]

It's far worse than the claims made by the cosmetics industry, and I would never imagine my wife would buy a mascara for $200 bucks, that gives "500% more sexiness".

 

[Astoneroad]

That’s it, I need you on my First Run Copper team.

Here's that challenge from their site, what's the catch?

$1 MILLION CABLE CHALLENGE​

ANTI-CABLE INFLUENCERS​

Anti-cable influencers have stated over and over that cables don't make a difference. They say this without ever using our product. So we are challenging them to PROVE what they say. We're even letting THEM pick testing methodology.

The rules are simple. Any well-known* anti-cable influencer can test our cable using ANY method they like, even in their own home without any supervision from First Run Copper employees. If, after listening to First Run Copper cables against any cable of their choice (yes, even generic), they post a video claiming that our First Run Copper cables aren't the BEST cables they've ever heard, we will give them, or a charity of their choice, $1 million U.S. dollars.

* Well known - YouTube channel with > 20,000 subscribers

 

[DonR]

Here's that challenge from their site, what's the catch?

$1 MILLION CABLE CHALLENGE​

ANTI-CABLE INFLUENCERS​

Anti-cable influencers have stated over and over that cables don't make a difference. They say this without ever using our product. So we are challenging them to PROVE what they say. We're even letting THEM pick testing methodology.

The rules are simple. Any well-known* anti-cable influencer can test our cable using ANY method they like, even in their own home without any supervision from First Run Copper employees. If, after listening to First Run Copper cables against any cable of their choice (yes, even generic), they post a video claiming that our First Run Copper cables aren't the BEST cables they've ever heard, we will give them, or a charity of their choice, $1 million U.S. dollars.

* Well known - YouTube channel with > 20,000 subscribers

ahem... https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...s/a-new-cable-company-first-run-copper.21687/

I'm looking to cash in on the large number of enthusiasts that have lots of money and are willing to believe anything. I'm looking for investors in my company "First Run Copper" - where we only use copper run through the extrusion process the first time. We will capitalize on the idea that "First pressed olive oil is better, so why wouldn't you want extra virgin copper?" It doesn't really matter that all copper is made the same way, as long as the cable looks the money.

We're going to give a lifetime return policy, with only a 10% restocking fee. The 10% restocking fee will be 10x the cost of making the cable, so just imagine how much we'll make if no one returns it!

Get this cable into the hands of What HiFi, the Audiophiliac and Fremer and we should be able to retire in a year or two.

 

[Jole]

$650 per inch / 16 gauge
$725 per inch / 14 gauge
$790 per inch / 12 gauge

This story, this kind of promotion, marketing and support ( beside cinic ones) comments is infestation like troian horse or virus.....antique tragedy of our time

now we go further to political economy....altruism and filantrophy (what is positive) ...dont know what to say but too much for me

This is just my observation, impresion and here i will stop to comment this forever

 

[maarten]

Isn't it a big waste of resources to test another cable, power conditioner etc. while by the nature of those products one can predict it does not add any value? You keep testing those whilst at best the outcome is: does no harm (apart from ripping your bank account).

 

[amirm]

Here's that challenge from their site, what's the catch?

It is a parody/comedy. There is no such company or challenge.

 

[Astoneroad]

It is a parody/comedy. There is no such company or challenge.

Commedia dell'arte... I didn't really get either one... lol. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[AudioSceptic]

This will never happen, because the same people who are selling the hardware are also selling maybe not the insane $100,000 cables, but the $200 cables with 70% margin on them. Manufacturers don't want to alienate dealers so they're never going to tell the dealers not to push Monster or Audioquest or whatever other "upgrade cable" nonsense the dealers are pushing to pad their bottom lines.

Part of the problem too is that fierce competition has pushed margins way down - televisions are sold at basically zero margin, and it used to be the case that dealer markup was around 50% on speakers and audio gear, but I believe it's about half that now. Many of the value-add attaches that dealers used to make money on are dead or dying - fifteen years ago you'd buy a new TV for $2,000 and the dealer would make nothing, but you'd also buy a DVD player, a set of component cables, and a universal remote for another $400 and the dealer would make 50% on that. These days, TVs typically go out the door with *zero* additional sales, or maybe a soundbar at a 10% markup.

If boutique dealers want to stay in business against big box stores and online retailers, they have to pad their margins and make money somewhere. Unfortunately, they're making it by ripping off their customers, rather than selling actual value-add products like room treatment.

I agree, it won't happen now, but I was thinking that *if* this had happened in the 70s/80s, perhaps the monster would've been slain at birth? Just wishful thinking, probably, as something with such obscene profit margins would've been hard to keep down forever...

 

[imagidominc]

Okay, that joke about your wife magically hearing the difference in sound quality while you're wearing headphones made me laugh. XD Great review King

 

[AudioSceptic]

I've spent more money for a cable that looks/feels better than other. Not a lot of money, but something (aside from my one audioquest RCA I bought before I knew better, although it does look nice). That's a totally normal thing to do!

I looked at Nordost's website. My god. They have so many tiers and levels of cables. They all look the same aside from color, really. I'd love for one of their engineers try to explain to me what the differences are.

You mean that you want to be amused by some of the most hilarious pseudoscience to be found outside paranormal circles?