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Nord MP NC252 SE Amplifier Review

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BNC is 75ohm digital signal compliant.

RCA is about 50ohm.

This creates so-called 'reflections' by connector/interface impedance incompatability (partially impeding signal transfer).
 
Star quad, means what exactly?
Star-quad means two twisted pair wires that are twisted to have even more common mode noise rejection than a single twisted pair. But let's stick with single twisted pair only. Even Hypex recommends this for Fusionamp speaker cables in its manual. Logic dictates that it would be important on the input cables as well, and since the transmission is truly balanced here and this signal will be greatly amplified, it can be even more important than at speaker level. Yes, Fusionamps comes with those blamed ribbon input cables and they are noisy too (relatively speaking).

Edit: if someone curious about the star-quad effect: https://benchmarkmedia.com/blogs/ap...egYYU861qe77I9R8jtCjozwVMJLlJ9Q5IBpKibHzlyRQX
 
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Star-quad means two twisted pair wires that are twisted to have even more common mode noise rejection than a single twisted pair. But let's stick with single twisted pair only. Even Hypex recommends this for Fusionamp speaker cables in its manual. Logic dictates that it would be important on the input cables as well, and since the transmission is truly balanced here and this signal will be greatly amplified, it can be even more important than at speaker level. Yes, Fusionamps comes with those blamed ribbon input cables and they are noisy too (relatively speaking).

Edit: if someone curious about the star-quad effect: https://benchmarkmedia.com/blogs/ap...egYYU861qe77I9R8jtCjozwVMJLlJ9Q5IBpKibHzlyRQX
Speaker wires are twisted to reduce interference transmission due to switching frequency residual, not for reducing noise pick up.

The article refers to main benefit for interconnects in a particularly noisy environment, or very low signal (microphone) but I do get your point.
 
The article refers to main benefit for interconnects in a particularly noisy environment, or very low signal
Yes, similar to the signal input cables inside the enclosure, close to a switching amp and/or power supply or other cables, it's a rather noisy environment.
 
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Yes, similar to the signal input cables inside the enclosure, close to a switching amp and/or power supply or other cables, it's a rather noisy environment.
Conjecture.

Without actual measurements (that are relevant).

Who is to say when noise pick up is reduced to insignificant?

The user or the super duper test equipment?

CT007, the owner of the dut in this thread is actually very happy with the performance of his Nord amplifier and tells me the amplifier is silent even with ear up close to speaker.

I will be sending him a copper tape shielded cable foc, as courtesy and to appease his technocritic, even though he realises it will not make any difference to his listening experience.

Thanks.
Tony
 
Just fyi, I know about braiding to reduce noise pick up in the interconnect domain, with regards to capacitance also.


I purchased some rolls of cryo OCC solid copper wire, enamel coated shortly before he (Dennis) retired, when DIY instructions were available.
 
Just fyi, I know about braiding to reduce noise pick up in the interconnect domain, with regards to capacitance also.


I purchased some rolls of cryo OCC solid copper wire, enamel coated shortly before he (Dennis) retired, when DIY instructions were available.
What benefit do you think cryo brings? In cables, normal electrical-grade copper is fine, the topology matters more - there is a reason that both long-distance telephone wires and high-speed digital connections use twisted wire - and having a differential/balanced input makes the most difference.
 
What benefit do you think cryo brings? In cables, normal electrical-grade copper is fine, the topology matters more - there is a reason that both long-distance telephone wires and high-speed digital connections use twisted wire - and having a differential/balanced input makes the most difference.
I'm not suggesting cryo brings any benefit, just that at that time I was aware of benefits of cryo treatment as used in some racing car engine blocks, to 'tighten' and thus strengthen the metal material, something to do with crystal structure, so I believe.
 
I'm not suggesting cryo brings any benefit, just that at that time I was aware of benefits of cryo treatment as used in some racing car engine blocks, to 'tighten' and thus strengthen the metal material, something to do with crystal structure, so I believe.
Sure, if you have wires that get shaken around a lot.
 
It goes to an engineer taking some theory and applying it to a different situation.

So many theories and actual measurements that may or may not be relevant.
 
I was thinking that conductivity could theoretically be supported by material strength, ie that it is more 'homogenised'.

Just theory/supposition, I guess.
There really isn't any correlation.
 
I was thinking that conductivity could theoretically be supported by material strength, ie that it is more 'homogenised'.

Just theory/supposition, I guess.
In one of the least physically demanding applications, home audio, there can't be a practical benefit.
 
What some theorise to satisfy their beliefs.

:)
I mean it's a funny thought indeed. Materiel strength of copper wire being relevant for conductivity, in audio... I want to have whoever came up with that was smoking. :D
 
I mean it's a funny thought indeed. Materiel strength of copper wire being relevant for conductivity, in audio... I want to have whoever came up with that was smoking. :D
This industry is full of it, take any product that is technically good enough, sprinkle some 'fairy dust' with some fancy marketing bs and you have a usp.
 
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I mean it's a funny thought indeed. Materiel strength of copper wire being relevant for conductivity, in audio... I want to have whoever came up with that was smoking. :D
It's the 'single crystal' aspect that is the important part, seriously.

 
It's the 'single crystal' aspect that is the important part, seriously.

To answer that post's query: no, the grain structure of a cable's copper is not going to affect how "smooth" the signal's "ride" is and alter it in some way we cannot measure, regardless of the usual bad car analogy by someone who doesn't understand the topic.
 
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