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Nord MP NC252 SE Amplifier Review

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This is a review and measurements of the Nord One MP NC252 SE stereo class D hypex power amplifier. It is on kind loan from a member and costs £554.00 (US $739) as optioned:
Nord One MP NC252 SE Stereo Power Amplifier review 2.jpg

This is the upgraded "SE" case which costs an extra £50. It indeed, is a step up from budget cases that these modules tend to come in. Here is the back side, showing another £25 option for trigger support:

Nord One MP NC252 SE Stereo Power Amplifier review.jpg

There is an option to upgrade the binding posts but I am not sure if these are it or not.

EDIT: company suggested that the input switch may have oxidized causing intermittent performance. This seemed to be the case so review is updated with the new results.

Nord One MP NC252 Amplifier Measurements

I usually end the review with warm up test even though I run it first in my testing. But here, we need to look at it now:
Nord One MP NC252 Stereo Power Amplifier warm up measurement.png

When I first powered up the unit, the right channel performance was 10 dB worse than the left. I looked at everything but could not find a cause. All of a sudden, not only did that difference shrink, but the left channel improved as well. So I started my warm up test. As you in dashed lines, at around 225 seconds, THD+N suddenly took a nose dive, especially in Ch 2 (right). I wiggled every cable, attempted every type of grounding but none had even the tiniest effect, indicating an internal issue. As I was messing around, all of a sudden, performance went back up so I ran the warm up test for twice as long (solid lines) and it stayed good and steady. So I went to run the dashboard:
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While not the best performance we have seen from this platform, it is close enough:
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Alas, once again, performance degraded with the unit just sitting there:
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After much testing, I managed to narrow it down to that peak you see just past 20 kHz. The company spec is 20 kHz and if I limit the bandwidth, we almost eliminate that to get a SINAD of around 88 dB. So I can see how someone may not see this problem if they are going by 20 to 20 KHz response. But the issue is there and is not acceptable.

Now, this kind of noise could be one of instrumentation. To rule that out, I tested one of my reference amplifiers and the results were absolutely clean with none of that noise spectrum. So while I leave the door ever so ajar that this could still be the cause, I am very confident that we have an issue with a supervisory circuit causing that noise.

Note that in addition to above, we have excessive mains noise riding on the right/Ch 2. Again, I could not impact that no matter what I did with grounding so I think it is an internal issue.

At this point, I did not see a point in continuing the testing as the above problem could come and go, corrupting whatever I am measuring.

EDIT: per note in the introduction, I exercised the input switch (RCA to XLR) and it seems to have fixed the variable performance. So I proceeded to run the rest of the tests.

Warm up test up to 10 minutes no longer showed a sudden drop in performance in one channel:
Nord One MP NC252 Stereo Power Amplifier 2 warm up measurement.png


I then re-ran the dashboard and stayed in there a while without the sudden change in Ch 2:
Nord One MP NC252 Stereo Power Amplifier 2 measurement.png

Ch 2 has fair amount of noise which varies with time and hence the difference between first and this run.

EDIT 2: I did some troubleshooting and found out that the switch cabling is picking up power supply noise and in turn, couples to the input flat cable:
Nord One MP NC252 Stereo Power Amplifier with as is switch cable.jpg

Company sent me a new harness for the switch, allowing me to route it away from input cable:
Nord One MP NC252 Stereo Power Amplifier with new switch cable 1.jpg

Notice that I twisted the ribbon cable prior to switch re-wiring and it avoided some of the noise as well. Here is the new dashboard:
Nord One MP NC252 Stereo Power Amplifier with new switch cable measurement.png

There is still more noise in Ch 2 which I think is unavoidable given the closeness of the input cable to the power supply and the fact that it is not shielded.

Here is the RCA input:

Nord One MP NC252 Stereo Power Amplifier 2 RCA measurement.png

Don't know why Ch2 improved so much. Perhaps there is still some issue in there biasing toward RCA input.

The noise variability between channels shows up naturally in SNR tests:
Nord One MP NC252 Stereo Power Amplifier 2 SNR measurement.png


Channel separation is extremely good:
Nord One MP NC252 Stereo Power Amplifier 2 crosstalk measurement.png


And as we expect from Hypex, there is no load dependency:

Nord One MP NC252 Stereo Power Amplifier 2 frequency response measurement.png

Distortion is kept quite low, especially for class D:
Nord One MP NC252 Stereo Power Amplifier 2 Multitone measurement.png


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The amp meets its target power at 4 ohm:
Nord One MP NC252 Stereo Power Amplifier 2 Power 4 ohm measurement.png

Nord One MP NC252 Stereo Power Amplifier 2 max peak Power 4 ohm measurement.png


And does nearly as well at 40 Hz:
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It does drop a bit more if you keep going to 20 Hz:
Nord One MP NC252 Stereo Power Amplifier 2 Power 4 ohm vs frequency measurement.png


My power measurement using the sweep is not very accurate so don't take this number of 8 ohm as gospel:
Nord One MP NC252 Stereo Power Amplifier 2 Power 8 ohm measurement.png


One channel is noisier on power up/off:
Nord One MP NC252 Stereo Power Amplifier 2 On off  noise measurement.png



Conclusions
The NC525 module from Hypex is fully integrated with amplifier and power supply. As such, there is less to go wrong with it. Yet, we have an amplifier here which seems to drop its performance by not an insignificant amount of 10 dB. Maybe it is just this sample in which case, I encourage the company to send me another to test. Until then, I can't recommend the Nord One MP NC525 amplifier.

EDIT: exercising input switches seems to have resolved the performance variability. This makes sense as I had toggled the switch on one channel in the first test but not the other. New results show respectable performance but with a bit of excessive power supply noise in the right channel.

Given the updated results, I am going to recommend the Nord One NC252 MP (SE).
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That's a bummer. I wonder how that got past quality control. Looks like a manufacturing defect. That shouldn't be standard. . . I think.
 
Yet, we have an amplifier here which seems to drop its performance by not an insignificant amount of 10 dB. Maybe it is just this sample in which case, I encourage the company to send me another to test.
Not too good there... hopefully Nord can clarify. Thanks for the testing of course.

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Not too good there... hopefully Nord can clarify.
I would have routed that mains feed to front switch around the amp rather than over it. That may explain why one channel is impacted more by it than the other.
 
Bummer indeed. Hopefully it will be an easy return for the owner to Nord.

Edit: nothing against the NC252 - I've got a Buckeye 4ch build that's been working great for years.
 
The overall layout is unhappy. And why do they use heatsinks with good thermal coefficient if they in fact do not use them for module cooling?? These assemblers without understanding of design principles are strange.
 
The Hypex module used - is it the old or the new version? If I remember correctly they recently presented an upgrade.
 
Were the test results shared with the manufacturer this time? My recollection is that has been the case if they sent it themselves (not the case here).

Either way hopefully we get some resolution on this one.
 
A bit disappointing from Nord... there was clearly a lapse in the quality control chain. Unless the amp was damaged by the lending member...


About SE case. : "made in Japan beautiful fit and finish and looks much better than standard case also adds a switchable front LED ON OFF DIM" I still doubt it...

That being said, with the arrival of the NCx252, I'd say the NC252mp will quickly be forgotten....
 
I would have routed that mains feed to front switch around the amp rather than over it. That may explain why one channel is impacted more by it than the other.
Surely that's not the mains feed? Ribbon cable and heat shrink...
 
Were the test results shared with the manufacturer this time?
I looked in my inbox here and in email but did not find a record of them contacting me. I thought they had but I can't find it. If I had, I would have run the results by them.
 
Surely that's not the mains feed? Ribbon cable and heat shrink...
I don't think that wire is connected to the ribbon cable but sure looks like they are.
 
at least in my former Buchardt amp the mains wiring into the NC252MP module was twisted.

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I would have routed that mains feed to front switch around the amp rather than over it. That may explain why one channel is impacted more by it than the other.
These wires are logic signals, mains are directly connected to the module. Not really clean but should not appear on measurements.
Where I see an issue is more the ribbon with input audio signals that seems to be in contact with speaker wiring. Demodulation is quite plausible here.
 
Disappointing from Nord, their past Purifi models measured excellently here, with well thought through cable routing.

This seems a departure from that.
 
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