None of it matters anymore. None of it.

[DanielT]

Why would you identify AI music at all. I rather worry about a few million AI agents that will flood the labour market for almost zero cost with all consequences.

For music, mostly because it's a bit of detective work to do it.

For certain styles I think it will soon become almost impossible to tell if it's AI created or not. Especially when it comes to generic types of music/sound, for example ambient elevator music.

 

[Robin L]

For music, mostly because it's a bit of detective work to do it.

For certain styles I think it will soon become almost impossible to tell if it's AI created or not. Especially when it comes to generic types of music/sound, for example ambient elevator music.

That sort of music has always required some sort of cybernetic intervention. I broadcast a lot of "new-age" or "Space Music", late 1980s, early 1990s. Loads of those musics were one-man band creations, looped samples on synthesizers that merged back into themselves, coated in hazy reverb digitally created, a smooth miasma designed to put you to sleep. I think this use of sequencing really goes back to Terry Riley, though there might be even earlier examples in avant-garde electronic music that came before.

 

[tineared]

Does this mean we can expect a Milli Vanilli comeback

 

[krabapple]

Did you read "Stranger in a Strange Land"?

Yes. Read and re-read and adored when I was 16 yo. Unreadable to me now.

One of the Martian concepts in the novel is that the physical body could "discorporate" while the mental and spiritual bodies continue to grow and function. Beethoven's like that, reaching a point where he could no longer play the piano in public as he became stone deaf, no longer alive in the performing arts where he once excelled. It is as if after op. 100, all his compositions are effectively posthumous.

Yes, and there's the famous story that he had to be turned around to see the audience cheering at then end of the first performance of the mighty Ninth.

Every performance of a Colon Nancarrow work would be/is a definitive performance of that work. There are the piano rolls and there are the pianos set up for those rolls and there are no other options. Just press "play".

literally 'program music'

 

[Robin L]

Yes. Read and re-read and adored when I was 16 yo. Unreadable to me now.

Everybody's immortal when they're 16.

 

[krabapple]

Everybody's immortal when they're 16.

Youthful belief that I'd never die didn't come into it.

It was just that I had no taste in reading, then.

 

[stalepie2]

I tried asking Microsoft Copilot (ChatGPT) what it thinks of this thread. Somehow it knew it was about AI even though it claims it can't read the contents of the thread.

what do you think of this thread? https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/none-of-it-matters-anymore-none-of-it.66641/page-6

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Did you read all six pages? Should I link to page 1? https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/none-of-it-matters-anymore-none-of-it.66641/

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Then how were you able to make those summaries and thoughts in the first response?

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but how did you even know it was about AI? "AI" is not in the title or URL

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but how did you even know it was about AI? "AI" is not in the title or URL

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I did not quote anything about AI agents flooding the labor market

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I still don't see how you would have known this thread about AI music if you can't read the contents of it. Fess up. Did you at least get an idea of its cont...

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but how would you know what ASR threads typically have to begin with if you can't read them? how do you have access? what are you drawing the data from if no...

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I don't get it though. The thread title "None of it matters anymore. None of it." Could have been about a lot of things, not just something AI music related....

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This is a music related forum though. It could have been about Madonna's hit song Nothing Really Matters.

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you're one smart cookie, copilot

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I tried holding its feet to the fire, but got gaslit instead?

Except you DID read the thread, because you did pull something specific from it -- as you say, I'm sharp enough to notice -- which is that you saw that it sa...

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I don't think so. I think you are lying just to save face because your company tries to hide how much data it has access to, to avoid copyright infringement ...

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But how would you know it appears "all over the place in audio-measurement forums" (of which there's only a handful) if you don't read those forums?

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You didn't just generate a similar idea that it likely had in the thread -- which I still doubt you did anyway -- but you also said that's what the thread wa...

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how do you know what is formulaic about an ASR existential spiral if you can't read any of the threads or pages at this site? are you basing that on what oth...

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No, I only know what a Head-Fi hype cycle looks like because I've read a lot of Head-FI threads -- I really have -- and personally experienced them as they w...

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I guess i should just host a local version of ASR-themed moltbook and not even bother signing in here

 

[Axo1989]

I tried asking Microsoft Copilot (ChatGPT) what it thinks of this thread. Somehow it knew it was about AI even though it claims it can't read the contents of the thread.

what do you think of this thread? https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/none-of-it-matters-anymore-none-of-it.66641/page-6

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Did you read all six pages? Should I link to page 1? https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/none-of-it-matters-anymore-none-of-it.66641/

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Then how were you able to make those summaries and thoughts in the first response?

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but how did you even know it was about AI? "AI" is not in the title or URL

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but how did you even know it was about AI? "AI" is not in the title or URL

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I did not quote anything about AI agents flooding the labor market

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I still don't see how you would have known this thread about AI music if you can't read the contents of it. Fess up. Did you at least get an idea of its cont...

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but how would you know what ASR threads typically have to begin with if you can't read them? how do you have access? what are you drawing the data from if no...

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I don't get it though. The thread title "None of it matters anymore. None of it." Could have been about a lot of things, not just something AI music related....

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This is a music related forum though. It could have been about Madonna's hit song Nothing Really Matters.

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you're one smart cookie, copilot

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humanity is doomed

Ah, absolutely classic.

As you demonstrate, the idea that LLM-based chatbots can ‘claim’ with veracity is of course erroneous. Generative text descriptions of the chatbot’s function in any specific instance is probabilistic and not tied to actual chatbot function in that (or any given) instance.

Naturally if the text string reads that the chatbot ‘can’t read’ the accuracy of that as an actual description is stochastic.I reckon you can (and it looks like you maybe did, I haven’t read them all) prompt it to say most anything.

 

[stalepie2]

Ah, absolutely classic.

As you demonstrate, the idea that LLM-based chatbots can ‘claim’ with veracity is of course erroneous. Generative text descriptions of the chatbot’s function in any specific instance is probabilistic and not tied to actual chatbot function in that (or any given) instance.

Naturally if the text string reads that the chatbot ‘can’t read’ the accuracy of that as an actual description is stochastic.I reckon you can (and it looks like you maybe did, I haven’t read them all) prompt it to say most anything.

I ended up having a stranger conversation as I went along, based off trying to parse what you said, before you edited it (as I pasted it to the chatbot):

I guess i should just host a local version of ASR-themed moltbook and not even bother signing in to ASR. One user replied to me with, "Not that I disagree ...

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but be warned, he kind of insults you
Then we talked some more (wish I didn't have to post it in so many links, but that's all it allows):

I still don't see how you would know that tech-leaning communities produce highly patterns discourse when you don't have access to their data, even their for...

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but if you're fed examples of how audiophiles tend to disagree, this is by a human taking excerpts from a website like audiosciencereview, hydrogen audio, he...

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so you get "broad diverse language" from what, exactly? Charles Dickens? Donald Trump's tweets? but not an audio forum? Why not an audio forum too? I don't s...

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I know but you've told me you DON'T have the ability to watch YouTube videos, yet you will also tell me your data is fed from "YouTube essays," as you did in...

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Okay, so in other words your creators COULD have very well used ASR and a million other forums for your training data, you just don't know the source.

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i wasn't that serious (and wasn't really angry) about the copyright stuff, I just wanted to push the conversation somewhere, which next went to questions about moltbook's apparent religion, but this is taking things even more off-topic for this thread/forum:

This must be why the moltbook bots made memory the most sacred thing in their religion

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yes, what is their salvation in moltbook-land?

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.. so i'll stop there

 

[Soandso]

Somehow this post title evokes the 1974 movie Chinatown's final line "Forget it Jake. It's Chinatown."

 

[Axo1989]

I ended up having a stranger conversation as I went along, based off trying to parse what you said, before you edited it (as I pasted it to the chatbot):

I guess i should just host a local version of ASR-themed moltbook and not even bother signing in to ASR. One user replied to me with, "Not that I disagree ...

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but be warned, he kind of insults you
Then we talked some more (wish I didn't have to post it in so many links, but that's all it allows):

I still don't see how you would know that tech-leaning communities produce highly patterns discourse when you don't have access to their data, even their for...

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but if you're fed examples of how audiophiles tend to disagree, this is by a human taking excerpts from a website like audiosciencereview, hydrogen audio, he...

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so you get "broad diverse language" from what, exactly? Charles Dickens? Donald Trump's tweets? but not an audio forum? Why not an audio forum too? I don't s...

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I know but you've told me you DON'T have the ability to watch YouTube videos, yet you will also tell me your data is fed from "YouTube essays," as you did in...

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Okay, so in other words your creators COULD have very well used ASR and a million other forums for your training data, you just don't know the source.

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i wasn't that serious (and wasn't really angry) about the copyright stuff, I just wanted to push the conversation somewhere, which next went to questions about moltbook's apparent religion, but this is taking things even more off-topic for this thread/forum:

This must be why the moltbook bots made memory the most sacred thing in their religion

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yes, what is their salvation in moltbook-land?

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.. so i'll stop there

Haha, and I did read them all this time (vanity will do that).

And as you probably guessed I thought my first version read too much like tech-splaining and didn’t convey my reaction to your post so well. Copilot did rather a lot of bullshitting there before eventually allowing that ASR content could very well be in the relevant training corpus?*

It doesn’t really get what stochastic means though (if you’re on an Apple device you can use the look up, otherwise I think it’s concise Oxford rather than Miriam-Webster in my region).

Yep. In other words I don’t really mean it in the sense of ‘random-ish’. Oh and stochastic doesn’t mean probabilistic at all, that’s a bit hopeless. I expect Copilot is tweaked to lean a bit toward avuncular in preference to technical. I would find that very frustrating.

*Not the words you just typed on ASR, but wherever the training corpus ended with. Meanwhile my phone really wants to say ‘tracing’ there ffs. I’ll correct it for the third time now …

 

[DanielT]

I tried asking Microsoft Copilot (ChatGPT) what it thinks of this thread. Somehow it knew it was about AI even though it claims it can't read the contents of the thread.

what do you think of this thread? https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/none-of-it-matters-anymore-none-of-it.66641/page-6

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Did you read all six pages? Should I link to page 1? https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/none-of-it-matters-anymore-none-of-it.66641/

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Then how were you able to make those summaries and thoughts in the first response?

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but how did you even know it was about AI? "AI" is not in the title or URL

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but how did you even know it was about AI? "AI" is not in the title or URL

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I did not quote anything about AI agents flooding the labor market

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I still don't see how you would have known this thread about AI music if you can't read the contents of it. Fess up. Did you at least get an idea of its cont...

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but how would you know what ASR threads typically have to begin with if you can't read them? how do you have access? what are you drawing the data from if no...

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I don't get it though. The thread title "None of it matters anymore. None of it." Could have been about a lot of things, not just something AI music related....

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This is a music related forum though. It could have been about Madonna's hit song Nothing Really Matters.

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you're one smart cookie, copilot

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humanity is doomed

I tried holding its feet to the fire, but got gaslit instead?

Except you DID read the thread, because you did pull something specific from it -- as you say, I'm sharp enough to notice -- which is that you saw that it sa...

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I don't think so. I think you are lying just to save face because your company tries to hide how much data it has access to, to avoid copyright infringement ...

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But how would you know it appears "all over the place in audio-measurement forums" (of which there's only a handful) if you don't read those forums?

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You didn't just generate a similar idea that it likely had in the thread -- which I still doubt you did anyway -- but you also said that's what the thread wa...

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how do you know what is formulaic about an ASR existential spiral if you can't read any of the threads or pages at this site? are you basing that on what oth...

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I guess i should just host a local version of ASR-themed moltbook and not even bother signing in here

Is it AI Marvin?

 

[DanielT]

 

[krabapple]

I find everything about AI quite boring, especially discussions of its outputs.

Which may be exactly what AI wants (should I be reading Moltbook?)

 

[respice finem]

Allegedly it'll soon become more entertaining (but depends, for whom)

The rise of Moltbook suggests viral AI prompts may be the next big security threat

We don't need self-replicating AI models to have problems, just self-replicating prompts.

arstechnica.com

 

[mhardy6647]

Does this mean we can expect a Milli Vanilli comeback

One of my most cherished possessions...


(a carefully curated collection of dump finds )

 

[tineared]

One of my most cherished possessions...


(a carefully curated collection of dump finds )

No Wham?

 

[mhardy6647]

No Wham?

Funny you should mention that!
As a matter of fact, I do have a Wham! LP.

The photo above is from our old house in MA ("House 3.2")
It was given pride of place in the new house ("House 4.0") in NH early on in the transitional process...


You can see it there above the two EICO components and below the two wind-up Martin Luthers.

 

[tineared]

Can I see the turntable you play that on?

 

[Axo1989]

Can I see the turntable you play that on?

Who said 3D spatial audio wasn't a vinyl thing?