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[No Politics] What you need to know about CoVID-19 by SARS-CoV-2 [No Politics]

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Frank Dernie

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Devoid of politics, but not devoid of opinion, I think...

Look how bad the US is!

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https://www.statista.com/chart/21176/covid-19-infection-density-in-countries-most-total-cases/

Yup, maybe middle of the pack when you compare with something besides "total cases".

We'll see where it goes...
Excellent.
It always surprises me when quotes are total number, rather than the proportion of the whole.
Like saying Michael Schumacher was better than Jim Clark because he won more Grands Prix rather than taking account of how many GPs they each finished. Just to make a personal point :)
 

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Excellent.
It always surprises me when quotes are total number, rather than the proportion of the whole.
Like saying Michael Schumacher was better than Jim Clark because he won more Grands Prix rather than taking account of how many GPs they each finished. Just to make a personal point :)
Context often changes things and can prove inconvenient to some folks agendas.

I'm not too hot on comparing sportsman from different eras either as that's taking a certain amount of context out of the equation too. Becomes very subjective.

Unless you consider getting in the right car at the right Time a attribute it's hard to compare drivers in their own era , hard for those outside of the sport at least.
 

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Yup, maybe middle of the pack when you compare with something besides "total cases".
To take this point further you would need to factor in percentage of the country tested, and on top of that population density would be a factor. I remain convinced that daily % growth rate is all that matters, it shows how effective a country's measures are at containing it. We want to know for far it has progressed through a population, but no one has that data.
 

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This data was out of date even as you posted it.
Not sure if no one noticed that the date stamp is several days prior or just didn't comment.
But a few days makes a difference with a pandemic.
By the time you posted USA numbers had already worsened past Germany and Austria.
Which rather illustrates David's (@Xulonn) point, it's rate of increase that is critical.
I would also emphasise this point to people who say you can't compare countries with different population sizes.
Time exponent is independent of population size.

We will indeed see what happens, no doubt the ranks will continue to alter.

Best wishes
David

Cross posted with Soniclife's essentially similar point.
 
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Coronavirus | "El confinamiento es un concepto burgués": cómo el aislamiento afecta a las distintas clases sociales
[Spanish] https://www.bbc.com/mundo/noticias-internacional-52216492

Coronavirus? "Confinement is a bourgeois concept": how isolation affects different social classes
https://www.translatetheweb.com/?from=es&to=en&dl=es&ref=trb&a=https://www.bbc.com/mundo/noticias-internacional-52216492

[ He lives in what is probably the most emblematic of all: Saint Denis. This banlieue located northeast of the French capital appeared on the front page of newspapers around the world during the violent riots that hit France in 2005... ]

[ And in addition to all this, in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic, it has become one of the French regions with the highestrate of coronavirus mortality. ]

[ But what I see in the slums is not at all that. There is a reality surrounded by unsanitary conditions, but not only that. In these types of neighborhoods, there are houses where four or five people live per room, for example.

There are also non-habitable homes, where you can't stay all day, because practically the space doesn't lend itself to it... ]

[ In low-income neighborhoods, such as Saint Denis, there are still many people still working. The workers are still working, because some factories are still open. Cashiers continue to go to their jobs, because supermarkets are still open. The same goes for security guards. ]

And also sure that they basically use public transport.

For those reasons and others, working-class neighborhoods on the outskirts of cities, especially in larger cities, should be the most affected, I say.
 

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“Si sobrevivo al coronavirus no sé si sobreviviré a la crisis”
[Spanish] https://elpais.com/sociedad/2020-04...navirus-no-se-si-sobrevivire-a-la-crisis.html

"If I survive the coronavirus I don't know if I will survive the crisis"
https://www.translatetheweb.com/?ref=TVert&from=&to=en&a=https://elpais.com/sociedad/2020-04-11/si-sobrevivo-al-coronavirus-no-se-si-sobrevivire-a-la-crisis.html

[ On the apartment, about 40 square meters and located in Alcobendas, north of Madrid, there are two more rooms. Two other families live in them. In total there are 10 people in a space designed for two or three. At times, during the talk, so many people huddle with each other. When it happens, they don't repair: they find it a natural, internalized gesture. "The hardest part of all this is not the disease. It's not being able to get out, not having space," Canal adds behind a paper mask. "And we pray that no one may fall ill, for we could not isolate him. He'd have to go out and live on the landing or the portal." He means it. "I would go to live under a bridge before I infected my children." ]

[ One of the Red Cross distribution points is in San Sebastián de los Reyes (Madrid). There, in a large room, Javi and Sofia, two volunteers, prepare dozens of cardboard boxes with food and cleaning products. It's ten in the morning and it keeps raining outside. "We're getting a hundred calls a day asking for help. Daily." Fran Rico, technical director of the center, is the one who stresses. "What we are currently doing is humanitarian aid. I don't remember anything like that." ]

In all developed countries there are these areas, usually with a very high percentage of immigration, to which the (in) communication media, films and series do not usually pay much attention. Not to mention in much less developed countries, where a large part of the population, many times the vast majority, live like this overcrowded and surviving the informal economy.

At least in Spain and many other EU countries, patients will have easy access to healthcare and without causing their ultimate ruin.
 

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I was reading the recent analysis of a historian who suggested that the best case outcome we can hope for COVID-19 is a world war, worst case would be social destruction to a level not since Genghis Khan.

For those interested:

https://warontherocks.com/2020/04/aftershocks-the-coronavirus-pandemic-and-the-new-world-disorder/

https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/04/1061322

https://www.chathamhouse.org/expert/comment/covid-19-and-iranian-shadows-war#

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/26/the-coronavirus-war-economy-will-change-the-world/
I must have missed the part of "world war beeing the best case", but the first and last link are a worthwile read.
 

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Not politics, economics: usually the arguments against a central bank merely creating money are 1. Hyperinflation (money supply is radically too big) and 2. Moral hazard (rewarding imprudent risk). Seems to me neither of these apply. Is it possible for governments to just "make good" on these vast losses and unemployment without disastrous borrowing from the future? My first impression is neither of the arguments above apply because 1. We’d only be getting back to the status quo ante and 2. Moral hazard in this case is dubious.
 

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Not politics, economics: usually the arguments against a central bank merely creating money are 1. Hyperinflation (money supply is radically too big) and 2. Moral hazard (rewarding imprudent risk). Seems to me neither of these apply. Is it possible for governments to just "make good" on these vast losses and unemployment without disastrous borrowing from the future? My first impression is neither of the arguments above apply because 1. We’d only be getting back to the status quo ante and 2. Moral hazard in this case is dubious.

Why should any big corporation ever behave morally or ethically when they know they will be given a handout for their misbehaving?

Leverage yourself in debt, Pump up stock buybacks to inflate your stock price, live on practically unlimited debt instead of good balance sheets and voila, bailed out by unlimited QE.

"Free" money to cover your misdeeds, low wages for your workers, millions for CEOs and their friends.

These types of excesses are usually followed by a revolution, usually an unpleasant one. As they say that the most dangerous person in the world is someone who has nothing left to lose.

COVID-19 would be a good opportunity to help those who have been hurt by this crisis and to lift society up. We are reaching an impasse and things will veer sharply in one direction.

And as Thomas mentioned in his post, we can choose what direction it will be
 

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Why should any big corporation ever behave morally or ethically when they know they will be given a handout for their misbehaving?

Leverage yourself in debt, Pump up stock buybacks to inflate your stock price, live on practically unlimited debt instead of good balance sheets and voila, bailed out by unlimited QE.

"Free" money to cover your misdeeds, low wages for your workers, millions for CEOs and their friends.
Not disagreeing with your premise but not sure how that relates to the economic crises coming out of the pandemic?
 

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After Tuesday, ALL Spanish regions will return to the confinement conditions of the first fifteen days. In a week or 10 days we will know if it was a success. Screenshot to compare then.

https://elpais.com/sociedad/2020/04/09/actualidad/1586437657_937910.html

Daily variation of confirmed cases
Last update: Sunday, April 12 at 11:30 a.m.
Cumulative confirmed cases growth % and 7-day moving average (average value of the growth rate every seven days).
covid-19-variacion-diaria-casos-confirmados-12042020.png


Today only 2.6% and 3.5% On Tuesday it will rise again (weekend effect in some regions as Catalonia).
 

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After Tuesday, ALL Spanish regions will return to the confinement conditions of the first fifteen days. In a week or 10 days we will know if it was a success. Screenshot to compare then.

https://elpais.com/sociedad/2020/04/09/actualidad/1586437657_937910.html

Daily variation of confirmed cases
Last update: Sunday, April 12 at 11:30 a.m.
Cumulative confirmed cases growth % and 7-day moving average (average value of the growth rate every seven days).

Today only 2.6% and 3.5% On Tuesday it will rise again (weekend effect in some regions as Catalonia).
Percent growth not so important in this phase. What is the absolute number of new cases, new hospitalizations?
 

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Worst unemployment since 1929, hundreds of millions worldwide unemployed, stock markets reaching highs not seen in decades.

I would be wary of any source that claims that about unemployment, as it is sensationalism.

US unemployment at the end of 1929 was only 3.2% (see table in this article), and 8.7% at the end of 1930, which is lower than during the recent great recession. So any source that would claim that is not being driven by hard data, but rather seems panicked to me.
 

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Paciente de coronavirus: "Gracias al ozono lo puedo contar"
[Spanish] https://diariodeibiza.es/pitiuses-b...nte-coronavirus-gracias-ozono-lo/1135831.html

Coronavirus patient: "Thanks to ozone I can count it"
https://translate.google.es/translate?sl=es&tl=en&u=https://diariodeibiza.es/pitiuses-balears/2020/04/10/paciente-coronavirus-gracias-ozono-lo/1135831.html

[ For his part, Dr. Hernández, an expert in Ozone Therapy, highlights the "surprising" evolution of patients who are treating with this technique "simple and easy to apply and without side effects."

"The patient Sergio Tonelli was in the ICU, his health was deteriorating and he required large concentrations of oxygen, so he was already in the phase to intubate," explains Hernández. "As intubated patients have a poor prognosis, we considered treating him with ozone. We proposed, he accepted, and the improvement was immediate. In the afternoon, he no longer required as much oxygen concentration and after two daily sessions in three days, he no longer needed it".

The doctor also highlights the analytical results, with a "plummet" in the parameters of the disease, which encouraged them to test in other patients, with very good results: "The response is very early and in 24-48 hours the parameters improve significantly."

Hernández explains that ozone has two clear benefits, on the one hand it attacks the "so brutal inflammation suffered by these patients at the lung level, what we call 'cytokine storm', and on the other the formation of microthrombi that affect microcirculation." "Ozone," he says, "is capable of its biological properties, as it is a very powerful immunomodulator, to release anti-inflammatory cytokines that counteract the 'cytokine storm' that causes so much damage to these patients."

"On the other hand," says the expert, "it stimulates the release of nitric oxide at the vascular endothelium level, which makes the blood go more fluid and also that the platelets do not stick, since it is a platelet antiaggregant, which it causes a flow of oxygen at the tissue level".

The Polyclinic has also made a video in which the specialist in Internal Medicine Montserrat Viñals explains how ozone therapy is applied through a vacuum circuit so that ozone reaches the patient's blood. ]
 
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Not politics, economics: usually the arguments against a central bank merely creating money are 1. Hyperinflation (money supply is radically too big) and 2. Moral hazard (rewarding imprudent risk). Seems to me neither of these apply. Is it possible for governments to just "make good" on these vast losses and unemployment without disastrous borrowing from the future? My first impression is neither of the arguments above apply because 1. We’d only be getting back to the status quo ante and 2. Moral hazard in this case is dubious.

This crisis will likely lead to a restructuring of society and hence the economy at least for the short to medium term - as long as the epidemic is ongoing. Many services rely on personal interaction and are thus not able to operate at the same scale if the epidemic is to be ended effectively. Thus, for many businesses revenue will fall dramatically, down to below 10% of previous revenue during lock-down. This will result in many businesses laying off staff in order to cut costs in order to be able to survive on the little remaining revenue, cash reserves and sale of non-essential assets. Still, for some this may not be enough and even if revenue after the epidemic returns to pre-epidemic levels, such a business is not merely illiquid but insolvent since the cash flows required to make up for the losses/service the loans taken during the epidemic do not arise.

Further, many businesses even outside the service-sector were using the already very low interest rates to take on debt in order to invest in projects viable only for low interest rates and similar demand or buy back some of their own stock which increases their equity and hence increases collateral for further loans. Since the cash flow required for this to be viable has all but dried up due to demand sharply declining, many firms have trouble servicing their debt.

Businesses (and also consumers) not able to service their debt will reduce the balance sheets of the banks. If the banks do not have sufficient equity to reduce accordingly, they may themselves not only suffer illiquidity but become insolvent and hence give rise to a financial crisis. Since the debt to equity ratio (leverage ratio) of the banks is quite high due to a high amount of borrowing at very low interest rates from the central bank, there is not a lot of a buffer for loans to become non-performant.

Adding to the above, the cause of this crisis is in large part due to imprudent risk taking by governments. Firstly, the previous bail-outs not being conditional on regulations that adequately ensure the solvency of banks during larger downturns and the central banks keeping interest rates low inflating debt and asset bubbles rather than spreading the failure/restructuring of unviable businesses out in time and secondly the wholly inadequate preparedness (or lack thereof) for an epidemic. The moral hazard is then keeping the people responsible in power/out of prison.

Further, data from Q4-2019 indicates that the economy was already contracting, so the epidemic is not the cause of the downturn but rather an exacerbation that may turn a recession into a deep recession if not a depression.


The fiscal expansion could also be reframed as an attempt at fending off deflation from falling demand (as you seem to describe). Still, this only affects the demand side. Assuming that demand is maintained, inflation will likely still arise from the decrease in supply due to labour force reduction all the way down the supply chains. Fiscal policy cannot address this directly. Thus, attempting to maintain production requires countering the labour force reduction through safety measures and generally by making workers feel confident that going to work will not endanger them and/or that they will not endanger others. If firms have to bear the cost of this, prices will likely increase further. In sum, if government manages to uphold demand, this will likely lead to stagflation.
 
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