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[No Politics] What you need to know about CoVID-19 by SARS-CoV-2 [No Politics]

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I could make a tedious response to correct some of the misconceptions in your posts but what's the point?
No doubt you would continue to believe the misconceptions are mine, and I already posted a serious analysis.
So instead I propose a more fun option! "put your money where your mouth is" bet!
Your first post was in response to eradication in New Zealand.
What odds will you offer on this and for how much?
If it's "sci-fi" then it must be very implausible, will you take a bet at 1000-1 say or 100-1?
What amount are you prepared to bet at 10-1?
The bet will be that New Zealand achieves eradication by the end of June.
No new cases within NZ for 2 weeks.
Cases from people infected overseas that are detected at the border don't count unless they spread the disease in NZ.
(Can't blame NZ for citizens infected by other countries)
I will take side bets from others too!
Amir or Thomas to act as referees, unless it breaks a law in the US or UK.
In which case I expect that someone else can be found.

Maybe I can do this and make money from audiophile believers too.
Why try to educate people when you can exploit them?
Oh wait, that's what the tweek cable salesmen do!
Somehow a bet feels more honest.

Best wishes
David


AOOV posts are light on substantiation. He is a self described mature-age attorney(ASR profile). Is he serious, taking-the-piss or simply trolling?

He managed to contribute to getting a wider-looking Covid-19 thread of mine shut down with similar, but overt political, consecutive posting efforts.
 
Numbers in the Netherlands continue to decline. Hospitals are beginning to open again for normal non urgent care.
As I reported earlier primary schools will open soon again, and sprts for children of 12 years and younger is permitted again.
Otherwise we are still on what we call an intelligent lockdown. We are still allowed to leave home and shops are still open. However where possible we are working from home so secundary schools and universities are teaching online. Many factories remain open if social distancing is possible. Trains are running on a very reduced schedule to ensure people in vital professions can get to work. People are told not to use them otherwise and they don't. City busses are running but almost empty. Here it helps that almost everyone has a bicycle and that cities are compact enough to use them effectively.
People mostly seem very responsible. Yesterday was a public holiday and the weather was nice. Even so police did not have to fine many people for breaking social distancing rules. Some stupid youngsters were fined for partying. My biggest concern continues to be elderly people (often on Ebikes) who do not seem to understand that the 1.5 meter rule also applies when cycling. And yet they are the Grim Reaper's preferred target.

I just discovered that hotels are beginning to open again (including socially distanced dining for hotel guests). This will allow us to go on a multiday bicycle tour again. Sadly camping in tents (which is what we normally do on our bicycle tours all over Europe) is not yet permitted. Camper vans and caravans with their own toilet etc are allowed but we don't have those and we prefer little ultralight tents anyway. But there is a glimmer of hope that we can do some cycle touring later in the summer, perhaps only in the Netherlands but maybe also Germany. France and Italy seem unlikely, however. My original plan had been to ride my bike to the Mediterranean. Too bad, but hopefully next year. There are worse problems.
 
Numbers in the Netherlands continue to decline. Hospitals are beginning to open again for normal non urgent care.
As I reported earlier primary schools will open soon again, and sprts for children of 12 years and younger is permitted again.
Otherwise we are still on what we call an intelligent lockdown. We are still allowed to leave home and shops are still open. However where possible we are working from home so secundary schools and universities are teaching online. Many factories remain open if social distancing is possible. Trains are running on a very reduced schedule to ensure people in vital professions can get to work. People are told not to use them otherwise and they don't. City busses are running but almost empty. Here it helps that almost everyone has a bicycle and that cities are compact enough to use them effectively.
People mostly seem very responsible. Yesterday was a public holiday and the weather was nice. Even so police did not have to fine many people for breaking social distancing rules. Some stupid youngsters were fined for partying. My biggest concern continues to be elderly people (often on Ebikes) who do not seem to understand that the 1.5 meter rule also applies when cycling. And yet they are the Grim Reaper's preferred target.

I just discovered that hotels are beginning to open again (including socially distanced dining for hotel guests). This will allow us to go on a multiday bicycle tour again. Sadly camping in tents (which is what we normally do on our bicycle tours all over Europe) is not yet permitted. Camper vans and caravans with their own toilet etc are allowed but we don't have those and we prefer little ultralight tents anyway. But there is a glimmer of hope that we can do some cycle touring later in the summer, perhaps only in the Netherlands but maybe also Germany. France and Italy seem unlikely, however. My original plan had been to ride my bike to the Mediterranean. Too bad, but hopefully next year. There are worse problems.

Me and a bikefriend have been training hard for two years with the goal Bike Transalp 2020. Oh well, maybe 2021 then ... ;-)

https://bike-transalp.de/en/route/route-2020/
 
City busses are running but almost empty. Here it helps that almost everyone has a bicycle and that cities are compact enough to use them effectively.
As you here in holland i bicyle a lot now instead of playing tennis 2 times a week. I bicyle now around 140 km a week and it is only april. Probably one of my most sensible purchases last year.
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[QUOTE = "maty, post: 383089, member: 637"] Por cierto, hoy fue el primer día, en España, que los niños menores de catorce años (no incluidos) podían caminar durante una hora acompañados por un adulto. Después de 43 días en casa.

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https://www.lainformacion.com/asunt...-espana-polemica-redes-confinamiento/6562359/

Teniendo en cuenta lo que se ha visto en algunas grandes muchas ciudades y pueblos de España, se espera un aumento en las infecciones dentro de dos semanas :enojado:. Lo dicho, las sociedades mediocres eligen también representantes mediocres.

[MEDIA = twitter] 1254364098005028864 [/ MEDIA] [/ QUOTE]
Muchas de las fotos que han sido publicadas por los medios españoles han sido tomadas con un teleobjetivo. Esto no es accidental. La imagen se "aplana" y las distancias aparentes entre objetos / personas se comprimen considerablemente, lo que da una falsa sensación de hacinamiento. Además, las imágenes no pueden ser fechadas. Podrían ser de hoy, ayer o hace meses. Qué fácil es simplemente copiar y pegar, a veces desde medios cuya falta de objetividad es su sello distintivo.
 
[Spanish] https://www.abc.es/sociedad/abci-ha...-comunidad-autonoma-202004280159_noticia.html

Percentage of population that would have been infected
Calculated based on the mortality registered by each CCAA

covid-19-spain-porcentaje-poblacion-infectada-28042020.png


[ Aside from the coronavirus tests, another method to approximate the percentage of the population that has passed the disease would be, as Calyà points out, through the fatality rate observed in it.

"You can make approximations to the cumulative incidence of infections from the death toll and assuming a lethality of, for example, 0.4%, which is what they have found in places where the tests have been very massive."

Following this reasoning, as shown in the graph above, ABC has calculated the percentage of the population that, with the data on the deaths of April 26, would have passed the disease in each Autonomous Community. For this, a disease lethality range of between 0.36% (observed in Iceland or Germany) and 0.66% has been taken, which suggests a study published by The Lancet Infectious Diseases '.

Based on this hypothesis, as seen in the graph above, Madrid, with between 18.01% and 32.13% of the population, would be the community that would have the most people who have passed the coronavirus in the country. Behind would be Castilla - La Mancha (between 17.37% and 30.98%), La Rioja (15.07% and 26.87%) and Castilla y León (18.76 and 10.52%).

"If we have 20-25% of the population that has had the infection (symptomatic and asymptomatic), we do not know if all or most have become immune, but even so, there would be close to 75-80% of the population that did not have it. It would have happened, therefore the risk of continuing with new infections is high," says Caylà... ]
 
As you here in holland i bicyle a lot now instead of playing tennis 2 times a week. I bicyle now around 140 km a week and it is only april. Probably one of my most sensible purchases last year.

We need to start a "show us your bikes" thread, cars and watches are so passé ;)

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AOOV...Is he serious...?
Yes, I realised that it was a waste of time to write a factual rebuttal.
But if he's serious then I should be able to make some money, with a bit of luck!
And if he's a troll then the failure to put his money where his mouth is should help expose his lack of credibility.
Win-Win.

Best wishes
David
 
How do I post pictures of my bikes? I have five bikes but my best bike is a custom built loaded tourer, so not as light and fast as Snarfie's road bike.
 
How do I post pictures of my bikes? I have five bikes but my best bike is a custom built loaded tourer, so not as light and fast as Snarfie's road bike.
Upload you picture to Imuger.com copy the bbccode link an paste it here. less than 8 kg. For daily use i have also a roadbike.
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Hipoxemia silenciosa, la misteriosa asfixia provocada por el coronavirus
[Spanish] https://www.eldiario.es/sociedad/mi...ciosa-provocada-coronavirus_0_1021198853.html

Silent hypoxemia, the mysterious choking caused by the coronavirus
https://translate.google.es/transla...ciosa-provocada-coronavirus_0_1021198853.html

[ Health professionals in different parts of the world are observing that a still unknown percentage of severe patients with COVID-19 may suffer a severe impairment of the respiratory function of the lungs and paradoxically perceive no sensation of shortness of breath or experience it very slightly. People who live normal lives and who appear to breathe easily, but who find the unexpected when tested: chest x-ray showing pneumonia with "puddling" of the lungs and pulse oximeter (a simple device placed on the finger) which marks a surprisingly low blood oxygen saturation. Under normal circumstances, these individuals would be barely able to move and would be struggling to breathe due to the low levels of oxygen reaching their bodies, yet they carry out daily activities, other than their silent suffocation... ]

[ Emergency medicine expert Richard Levitan explained his experience with these cases in The New York Times : "The vast majority of COVID-19 pneumonia patients I met had markedly low oxygen saturation in triage - apparently inconsistent with life - but they were still using their cell phones while we connected them to the monitors, although they were breathing fast, they did not seem to be suffering much, despite the dangerously low oxygen levels and the terrible pneumonia shown by their chest x-rays. .] By the time it becomes clear that patients are having trouble breathing and arrive at the hospital with dangerously low oxygen levels, many will end up hooked up to a respirator.".. ]
 
Coronavirus: España ya es el país del mundo con más curados de Covid-19
[Spanish] https://www.redaccionmedica.com/secciones/sanidad-hoy/coronavirus-mapa-espana-curados-mundo-19-9087

Coronavirus: Spain is already the country with the most Covid-19 cures in the world
https://translate.google.es/translate?sl=es&tl=en&u=https://www.redaccionmedica.com/secciones/sanidad-hoy/coronavirus-mapa-espana-curados-mundo-19-9087

[ Spain is already the country with the most people cured of Covid-19 coronavirus worldwide. This is reflected in the map created by John Hopkins University that collects in real time the evolution of Covid-19 on the planet.

So far, Spain is in second place in terms of recoveries, just behind Germany, but the latest positive results that Spain has been reaping in terms of recovered. It refers has catapulted the country to the first position with 117,727 people cured of Covid-19 coronavirus, as of April 27, 2020... ]

[ In global figures, the number of people recovered worldwide already exceeds 869,500 people, while the number of people infected worldwide is already close to 3 million people. A figure led by the United States, whose growth in cases is frantic. So far this month, this country is close to approaching one million infections... ]

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
 
USA has almost 330 million inhabitants. The infection is estimated to affect 60% of the population in any country. Let us put 50%, 165 million.

10% will require hospital admission. Of them 50%, that is to say 5% of the total, ICU bed with respirator. In other words, some 16 million people will require income. If measures were not taken in a few months, that number would have been reached. ICU admissions are being reduced through better oxygen treatment, medication and medical care in hospitals.

Until new patients are successfully treated before widespread inflammation occurs, many of them will have extensive damage to the internal organs, not just the lungs, generating a huge number of new chronic patients.

We do not know what percentage will be chronic but the few autopsies performed indicate an incredible destruction in many organs, so the percentage of chronic compared to those who recover after admission will be high.

Everything indicates that the immunity will be of limited duration, so if they fall ill again they will almost certainly die, at least today.

The future of those 16 million Americans would be very problematic. Either they die or they will generate considerable expense that will cause millions of families to go bankrupt.

Therefore, today, the logic dictates avoiding a massive contagion until there is a better medication. Vaccines, if any, will take longer than that new treatments. Meanwhile the outlook is very black, at the health and economic level, worldwide.


I have just read it. I already mentioned that in the few autopsies that have been done there is a massive internal damage.

Pulmones afectados de por vida y problemas de corazón: las secuelas del COVID-19 tras 'curarse'
[Spanish] https://www.elespanol.com/ciencia/s...on-secuelas-covid-19-curarse/484951860_0.html

Lungs affected for life and heart problems: the aftermath of COVID-19 after 'healing'
https://translate.google.es/translate?sl=es&tl=en&u=https://www.elespanol.com/ciencia/salud/20200426/pulmones-afectados-problemas-corazon-secuelas-covid-19-curarse/484951860_0.html

[ " 80% of patients infected with COVID-19 do not enter, so it will be very, very unlikely that there will be sequelae. 15% enter an inpatient facility and 5% require admission to a hospital unit. Critical. So, approximately, between 5% and 10% are the potential patients who could suffer some type of sequelae. But these are only estimates. We do not have data yet, and it is still too early," he says. Javier De Miguel Díez, section chief in the Pulmonology Service of the Gregorio Mara ñón General University Hospital.. ]

[ "Approximately 6-8 weeks after discharge, the ideal would be to do a chest x-ray. If the patient is asymptomatic and the x-ray is fine, that's fine. But if he has symptoms or abnormalities on the x-ray, we would do a CT scan of the chest afterwards to see if there are sequelae. In some patients, they would also have to do some lung capacity tests. There is already a preliminary study carried out in China that shows that some patients can lose between 20% and 30% of their lung capacity," says De Miguel. But the first and most important thing is to identify which patients could be susceptible to it... ]

[ For example, and there is more and more literature on this, the virus causes dermatological involvement . Even affectations in the digestive system ("many of the initial manifestations are diarrheal pictures, although we intuit that, then in the short and medium term it will not leave sequelae").

It is also being seen that this virus "has cardiac, neurological and even renal affectations, although the mechanism that produces them is not yet well understood." Therefore, "we have to be very aware in the future of all possible injuries that the virus may leave in the short or medium term," says this expert... ]

[ As she described, she increasingly saw more critical patients with COVID-19 with encephalopathies and delirium , who had hallucinations or who did not remember anything about their stay in the ICU. "We cannot assess the repercussion that this disease, this encephalopathy and this ICU admission will have on the mental capacities of our patients and how cognitive recovery will be : memory, calculation, abstract reasoning, language, etc", Velayos reflected.

Likewise, Vicente Gasull , coordinator of the SEMERGEN Mental Health Working Group, explains to this newspaper the importance of considering that "the patients who have been admitted to the ICU by COVID-19 have really suffered a serious process. The consequences that they present after a severe condition are multiple and very diverse. Thus, some have been described as pulmonary fibrosis, ischemic heart disease, cardiomyopathy with heart failure, even cases of fulminant myocarditis with a severe prognosis." ]
 
Un estudio estima en 1,2 millones los españoles infectados con coronavirus y en casi 34.400 el número de fallecidos
[Spanish] https://www.20minutos.es/noticia/42...nes-los-espanoles-infectados-con-coronavirus/

One study estimates 1.2 million Spaniards infected with coronavirus and in almost 34,400 the number of deaths
https://www.translatetheweb.com/?ref=TVert&from=&to=en&a=https://www.20minutos.es/noticia/4240376/0/un-estudio-estima-en-1-2-millones-los-espanoles-infectados-con-coronavirus/

[ The figures are far from the data provided on Tuesday by the Ministry of Health, according to which, there are 210,773 infected diagnosed by PCR, since, as in previous days, it has not offered the positives confirmed by rapid antibody tests, and there are 23,822 those killed by the pandemic... ]

[ The study estimates that the infection would have affected 140,341 children under the age of 10 (3.21%) and by age group he points out that the contagion would be well above 2.6% of the population, for example, in the 80-89 year old year's ancian (228,538 infected, 9.9%) and those over 90 years of age (105,869, 19.20% of the total), Fedea reports in a statement... ]

[ The results suggest that, as of April 26, the infection would have affected 1.23 million Spaniards, representing 2.6% of the population.

The study notes that the estimated value of the aggregate fatality rate for Spain would be around 3.1%, although it increases to 7.8% among those over the age of 80.

The authors thus place at 34,393 the total number of deaths until April 26 (23,822, according to data provided on Tuesday by Health), and estimate that in the next 23 days there will be 3,836 new deaths. ]
 
If the collapse of the hospital system had been maintained, without effective medical treatment or vaccination and assuming that 50% had been infected until SARS-CoV 2 disapperead (estimated between 60 and 70% - Merkel), with 3.1% fatality:

23.75 millions * 0.031 = 736,000 deaths !!!
 
If the collapse of the hospital system had been maintained, without effective medical treatment or vaccination and assuming that 50% had been infected until SARS-CoV 2 disapperead (estimated between 60 and 70%), with 3.1% fatality:

23.75 millions * 0.031 = 736,000 deaths !!!
If. Assuming. Estimated. Calculated.

Panic Porn has done its job on you.
 
With this estimate, it is evident that the hospital system collapse must be avoided and the nursing homes must be protected at all costs, in the current situation of lack of effective medication and without vaccine.

If the hospital system is not collapsed, as Germany, the lethality must be much less.
 
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