Nice turntables. Attached picture is an absolute requirement.

[mischa]

Hope the cueing device still works...

The plastic part under the tonarm was broken.
With the 3D part from Shapeways (not longer available)
it works.

 

[Westsounds]

It looks nice, but doesn't lift the arm when the end of the record is reached. That is a failure at 2500€, in my humble opinion. It's not that they forgot how to do it either, as their two cheapest models are fully automatic (and the second cheapest isn't that bad either).

I have one of those turntables. Definitely qualifies for nice I’d say and not uber expensive either. The fully automatic function is a complete revelation, put the record on press one button and your done until side two

Built in switchable phono stage as well if you need it for amps that don’t have one. And the SQ is as good as any from this archaic format, still nice tho. What more do you need.

 

[rdenney]

Exactly this. Whilst there may be a 'use-case' for a 7" only turntable, I too would ask why? I suspect it's because the manufacturer thinks they can sell them, and not because anyone actually needs one.

Wants rather than needs.

S.

This is an audio forum. Who said anything about need?

Rick “not a matter of whirled peas” Denney

 

[Ropeburn]

This is an audio forum. Who said anything about need?

Rick “not a matter of whirled peas” Denney

Haha indeed. If we started talking like that, in rational, practical ways, we could dismiss turntables as a whole. Who needs that? So superfluous and nothing but e-waste.

There's simply a market niche. Some people and whole scenes have lusted for this for decades. I'm pretty sure Reloop will saturate the market rather quickly and calculated accordingly. Wouldn't surprise me if they broke even on the model within a few weeks of orders, and make profit from selling a few hundred worldwide. It isn't exactly cheap, 550€ just like the regular size models, and every DJ takes two at a time.

Edit: also appears to be good. It just works!

TL;DW: it just works.

And in case someone wonders: but you can only play 7", so you're limited to that? No, you aren't, because DVS (Digital Vinyl Systems) exist, including 7" timecode vinyls. DJs can play every digital file with the turntable being a hands on realtime controller, and have done so for 20 years. Smaller setup that still works, very alluring.

 

[Jimshoe]

Wow! That video is a tour de force of vapid inanity - "what I think they got right is just making one".

I'm in a lousy mood today, I'm outta here, this is too depressing

 

[Robin L]

I have one of those turntables. Definitely qualifies for nice I’d say and not uber expensive either. The fully automatic function is a complete revelation, put the record on press one button and your done until side two

Built in switchable phono stage as well if you need it for amps that don’t have one. And the SQ is as good as any from this archaic format, still nice tho. What more do you need.

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I'd say an upgrade of the cartridge. The cartridge in the photo is Audio Technica's bottom of the line.

Just sayin'.

 

[Westsounds]

I'd say an upgrade of the cartridge. The cartridge in the photo is Audio Technica's bottom of the line.

Just sayin'.

And I do know what you are saying, Robin, glad you mentioned it. You know, I sat down one day and tried a multitude of cartridges and I kept going back to it

Subjective as most of this stuff is when we are listening to it like it or not. To me, the cheap AT sounded way more natural and realistic, especially when it came to vocals. And I tried a number of cartridges from different makers, and at substantial more cost! I did this experiment on a Technics 1210 I have as well, and that TT is way better at taking more potential cartridges like the concorde DJ designs. Well, I tried a few of those as well, and as good as some were, I still liked the cheap AT the best, so win, win. This cartridge I believe is a complete gem, and more so for the money.

We are talking about an old format here, and I do listen to it for enjoyment, sometimes over digital even if that’s technically superior. However, analogue done well I just think is highly enjoyable, and the AT cartridge that’s in there does that as good as any. So my Denon and Technics now sport these cartridges, and I have zero desire of chasing anything subjectively better ever again, it’s more than good enough.

 

[Palmer]

Two not so common TT's came in last week - the Mitsubishi DP-EC2 and the Pioneer PL-5L. The Mitsubishi did not want to get to the record, regardless of adjustment - always just short of the edge. The Pioneer had a plethora of issues, a lot of work. Both playing rather well now, I'd like the motor of the Mitsubishi and the platter of the pioneer, and a good arm. That would make a nice direct drive table. But - I do this on the side and as a fiduciary, can't really charge for the work involved. I have more than 20 hours on the Pioneer. Labor of love...

 

[DVinylfan]

I read the thread and didn't see any Origin Live turntables.. maybe I missed it.
Anyway here's my deck- an OL Aurora Mk4, and Silver Mk3C arm.
Cartridge is a Hana SH Mk2.

 

[DSJR]

SQ is as good as any from this archaic format, still nice tho. What more do you need.

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Not with that stylus it isn't - DN251E elliptical will clean up the highs a lot (done it and it works a treat!) and AT now do a 3.5g tracking elliptical (YIKES!!!) for the 3500L version (ATN3600LE) which is around £25 in the UK and $59 in the US I gather.

I use this as an upgrade for the AT91/Rega Carbon version, tracking cleanly at 2g - https://www.thakker.eu/en/needles/t...M6mIEgAwyUfUmYWq9tce38epahGYfH5kNYXoWV8NGcjVL

Bass quality will depend how resonant the cabinet it's sat on is

Apologies folks, can't help myself - it was my effin' job for decades, after all.

 

[Westsounds]

Not with that stylus it isn't - DN251E elliptical will clean up the highs a lot (done it and it works a treat!) and AT now do a 3.5g tracking elliptical (YIKES!!!) for the 3500L version (ATN3600LE) which is around £25 in the UK and $59 in the US I gather.

I use this as an upgrade for the AT91/Rega Carbon version, tracking cleanly at 2g - https://www.thakker.eu/en/needles/t...M6mIEgAwyUfUmYWq9tce38epahGYfH5kNYXoWV8NGcjVL

Bass quality will depend how resonant the cabinet it's sat on is

Apologies folks, can't help myself - it was my effin' job for decades, after all.

It's good enough for vinyl listening in this subjective hobby, as I explained in a bit more depth in a post following it. I get the audio snobbery, but I really don’t care, it sounds good enough, in fact I've tried numerous more expensive cartridges and didn’t like the way they sounded. We are being over critical here, just as many are with DACs. Splitting hairs!

 

[Robin L]

It's good enough for vinyl listening in this subjective hobby, as I explained in a bit more depth in a post following it. I get the audio snobbery, but I really don’t care, it sounds good enough, in fact I've tried numerous more expensive cartridges and didn’t like the way they sounded. We are being over critical here, just as many are with DACs. Splitting hairs!

I had a couple of the AT 3600L cartridges, understand what you are saying as regards its neutrality compared to most other cartridges which tend to be elevated in the treble. For $30 it's hard to beat. I had slightly better results with the Shure M-44-7, no longer in production. It had the virtue of being able to stay in the groove of almost anything. Turned out to be very useful when I was transferring LPs to digital formats about ten years ago. But he AT 3600L comes very close and is still in production.

 

[Westsounds]

I had a couple of the AT 3600L cartridges, understand what you are saying as regards its neutrality compared to most other cartridges which tend to be elevated in the treble. For $30 it's hard to beat. I had slightly better results with the Shure M-44-7, no longer in production. It had the virtue of being able to stay in the groove of almost anything. Turned out to be very useful when I was transferring LPs to digital formats about ten years ago. But he AT 3600L comes very close and is still in production.

I luckily never did fall down the rabbit hole of perfection or finding a grail when I took up the turntable hobby this time around as it came into vogue again. I very much did the chasing the tail thing with DAC’s though. For me the AT3600L is all I ever want and need for vinyl listening and for the amount I do that its perfection. I don’t have to worry about an expensive cartridge either, and replacements are easily available and cheap. And I thoroughly enjoy its sound signature so it really is everything I want for casual vinyl use.

 

[DSJR]

It's good enough for vinyl listening in this subjective hobby, as I explained in a bit more depth in a post following it. I get the audio snobbery, but I really don’t care, it sounds good enough, in fact I've tried numerous more expensive cartridges and didn’t like the way they sounded. We are being over critical here, just as many are with DACs. Splitting hairs!

Conical vs even a nicely finished bonded elliptical.. If I can tell the improvbem,ent (measurable too) on a 1970s Garrard AP76, you can hear it on your deck, but it's up to you. High end vinyl way over my means today, but ain't snobbery I assure you, but a hundred quid dac kind of makes it a bit pointless. It's not all about 'sound' though As you were

 

[EJ3]

I am baffled why anyone would need/want a turntable dedicated to playing 7" records when a conventional turntable can play them easily - as well as 12" vinyl which is surely the 'common' vinyl format in DJ'ing.

Because in a club setting you have different needs & a dedicated turntable setup for each size makes sense.
In fact, I will probably get one, just because I don't want to run 7's (nor have I ever) on either my DUAL 1229 or my Technics SL-M3.
It would cause me to actually listen to the 7's that I have & probably get more.
I think that it is a capital idea.

 

[AdrianusG]

I consider myself pretty neutral in the "Vinyl VS Digital" preference, May anyone enjoy any format he/she pleases, but this
Perhaps i should have posted this in "a call for humor" thread though.

Tiny Vinyl is a new pocketable record format for the Spotify age

Format is “more aligned with how artists are making and releasing music in the streaming era.”…

arstechnica.com

 

[posvibes]

Preparing to sell my Ariston RD80SL transcription deck, with Hadcock arm and Decca London Cartridge, after recently selling all of my Vinyl.

And so it goes.

 

[Ropeburn]

I consider myself pretty neutral in the "Vinyl VS Digital" preference, May anyone enjoy any format he/she pleases, but this
Perhaps i should have posted this in "a call for humor" thread though.

Tiny Vinyl is a new pocketable record format for the Spotify age

Format is “more aligned with how artists are making and releasing music in the streaming era.”…

arstechnica.com

4 minutes per side

Speaking traditionally, if a format doesn't even support a proper acid or hardtrance track (10+ min.), it's out.

 

[EJ3]

I consider myself pretty neutral in the "Vinyl VS Digital" preference, May anyone enjoy any format he/she pleases, but this
Perhaps i should have posted this in "a call for humor" thread though.

Tiny Vinyl is a new pocketable record format for the Spotify age

Format is “more aligned with how artists are making and releasing music in the streaming era.”…

arstechnica.com

I'm at a loss for anything good to say about this, so I won't say anything about it & let the implications be my statement.

 

[thewas]

4 minutes per side

Speaking traditionally, if a format doesn't even support a proper acid or hardtrance track (10+ min.), it's out.

Also don't want to know how large the angular error for typical non-tangential tonearms will be (unless someone readjusts them just for those), if of course the turntable isn't (semi-)automatic and has stopped this tragic playback before it begins.