Nice turntables. Attached picture is an absolute requirement.

[Sal1950]

O' yes. The mat was a huge improvement.

But did you feel there was any trade-off involved where the carbon mat was
a shunt to ground for the static, but not as good as a rubber or cork mat at
dampening the disc vibrations?

 

[Sal1950]

Over the years I had tried various platter mats on my H-K but always came back to the ribbed rubber
factory mat. When combined with an inexpensive spindle clamp I was pleased as well as anything
with it's sound (subjectively). The only thing I would have liked to have tried was an edge weight but
all I knew of back then were a little more than I wanted to spend.

 

[anome]

Kenwood KD500, Infinity Black Widow, ortofon cartridge

first arm was a Grace unipivot, very finicky piece of work.

 

[Tom C]

I ran the carbon fiber head shell brush and a carbon fiber mat with my Technics. It seemed to cut down on static.

Static reduction sounds like it would be worth doing. What kind did you have?

 

[Doodski]

Static reduction sounds like it would be worth doing. What kind did you have?

It was years and years ago. I called up the supplier and asked for a special order carbon fiber mat. It had a name on it in light gray on black but I don't remember the brand.

But did you feel there was any trade-off involved where the carbon mat was
a shunt to ground for the static, but not as good as a rubber or cork mat at
dampening the disc vibrations?

I was not having issues with disc vibrations.

 

[Doodski]

Over the years I had tried various platter mats on my H-K but always came back to the ribbed rubber
factory mat. When combined with an inexpensive spindle clamp I was pleased as well as anything
with it's sound (subjectively). The only thing I would have liked to have tried was an edge weight but
all I knew of back then were a little more than I wanted to spend.
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Wowow... a linear tracking HK. Those are rare.

 

[Anthony LoFi]

I never could buy into that method of platter design.
I can't believe that it controls the various vibrational inputs to which a LP is subjected to in an
optimum way
I also used a dust collector of the type shown a couple times. When I set the brush on a turning LP even
without the stylus on the record. I could hear the brush softly singing along with to the records grooves.
Same with the brush on the TOTL Shure and Stanton cartridges.
I can't say for sure they made audible contributions to the tables sound but I never used any of them long
term, to me they just said "wrong" ?

Yes platter design would have an effect on the sound of LPs but dont know if any science is behind this.
Im ignorant of modern turntable design but see amazing engineering feats creating chronometer accuracy in both plinth and tone arm construction (hence the heavy price tag).
The vibrations mentioned above remind me of a vinyl enthusiast that would not play the same LP immediately again because of what he thought were residual vibrations contained within the disc. He would wait some time for these vibrations to stop before playing the opposite side.

The dust brush uses animal hair (badger I believe) and could never see it doing much good except gathering large visible debris.
I think its a bit of a stretch to say it generates audible sound but Im open to proof.
Has anyone done a blind test on LP surface cleaners on cleaners off ( what am I saying, this is getting silly)

I don't take vinyl seriously due to many reasons but still keep the turntable to play my collection of LPs when my kids or friends want to hear them.
With the resurgence of LP's I do get requests to play these new generation discs on the Michell and must say the sound is clean and enjoyable.

I think the major attraction to this old turntable is the visual affect of those golden orbs going round and round, its hypnotic.
Visitors always comment on it.

Note: No disrespect to serious followers of vinyl, the sound of LPs give them same enjoyment as I get from digital.
We are all different and whatever gives us a moment of musical bliss is priceless.

 

[Sal1950]

Yes platter design would have an effect on the sound of LPs but dont know if any science is behind this.

Not sure what science you might be looking for but there are a number of definite
things impacting a LP on the table. We have airborne sound impacting the disc like the
head of a drum. Also the same airborne vibrations feeding up thru the feet ultimately into
the disc with the platter mat being the final insolation point. Then we have the resonance
of the stylus in the groove echoing back and forth thru the disc. I'm sure there's more
that I'm missing, just this immediately comes to mind as points things potentially affected
by a good mat.
Personally I haven't used vinyl as a source for 30+ years. All my vinyl stuff had been packed up
and in the basement since sometime in the 90's till I sold it after I retired.

 

[Doodski]

We have airborne sound impacting the disc like the
head of a drum. Also the same airborne vibrations feeding up thru the feet ultimately into
the disc with the platter mat being the final insolation point.

Is subsonic bad stuff airborne, mechanically conducted to the feet or both?

Personally I haven't used vinyl as a source for 30+ years. All my vinyl stuff had been packed up
and in the basement since sometime in the 90's till I sold it after I retired.

I traded my record hardware stuff for Altec Lansing horns, compression drivers with fresh tangerine HiFi diaphragms and a 3 way electronic crossover with sub output too. I never regretted that trade one bit and I think we both where very satisfied with the trade arrangements.

 

[Angsty]

Joan is Awful

The worst part of that picture is that the VPI is largely an objet d'art. It appears to be connected to nothing.

Awful, indeed.

 

[Angsty]

Is subsonic bad stuff airborne, mechanically conducted to the feet or both?

Both.

 

[Sal1950]

Is subsonic bad stuff airborne, mechanically conducted to the feet or both?

Both I would say.

I traded my record hardware stuff for Altec Lansing horns, compression drivers with fresh tangerine HiFi diaphragms and a 3 way electronic crossover with sub output too. I never regretted that trade one bit and I think we both where very satisfied with the trade arrangements.

You got the best of that deal IMHO

 

[Sal1950]

Wowow... a linear tracking HK. Those are rare.

I really loved that table, broke my heart to sell it.
But the money was too good to pass by for something I hadn't used in almost 10 years.

The worst part of that picture is that the VPI is largely an objet d'art. It appears to be connected to nothing.

She does show about 10 LP's in the rack. LOL

 

[MAB]

Very cool. I had a similar thread connected anti-skate on my old J.A. Michell Engineering Transcriptor Hydraulic Reference Turntable with Fluid arm. It was very tweaky, fussy and inconvenient. I can understand why they recommend not using it. I bought a fancy quartz lock direct drive Technics to use for a daily driver and the Michell was for only show.

I had a knock-off of that old Transcriptor/Clockwork Orange turntable.
Audio Linear TD-4001:

I think they even got told to stop copying J.A. Michelle's style.
I agree, those Technics tables are the best performance you can get and are not tweaky at all.

 

[Doodski]

Both I would say.


You got the best of that deal IMHO

The other person realllly wanted that Michell turntable.

 

[computer-audiophile]

(Photo from the net)

I also like this old Revox turntable very much. I know it live from other audio friends, but unfortunately never had one myself.
Tape recorders from Revox, on the other hand, I had more than one over the years. E.g. a 'fast' Revox A77 Custom with 38 cm/s and an A700.

 

[TheBatsEar]

(Photo from the net)

I also like this old Revox turntable very much. I know it live from other audio friends, but unfortunately never had one myself.
Tape recorders from Revox, on the other hand, I had more than one over the years. E.g. a 'fast' Revox A77 Custom with 38 cm/s and an A700.

Almost got one for 250€ recently, but i was just a hair to late. I was very grumpy for the rest of the day.

 

[Multicore]

The worst part of that picture is that the VPI is largely an objet d'art. It appears to be connected to nothing.

Awful, indeed.

Have you seen that episode of Black Mirror? Later it explicitly mentions that the whole scene is generated by AI. Perhaps the AI ingested decorative office TTs from some other popular TV show.

 

[computer-audiophile]

Almost got one for 250€ recently, but i was just a hair to late. I was very grumpy for the rest of the day.

I could get one as a gift from a friend, but since I'm not a collector, I don't want it. Since the units are so old now, problems with the electronics and mechanics are likely. I don't want to deal with that kind of thing these days. I have turntables that are technically up to date and I also only like to buy my things new or NOS.

 

[TheBatsEar]

I could get one as a gift from a friend, but since I'm not a collector, I don't want it.

Good god, man, what is your major malfunction?