New Tyler Acoustics Speaker Designed by Danny From GR Research

[MarkWinston]

What do you guys think about this? Worth it?

 

[abdo123]

The waterfall graph looked pretty good actually.

 

[jtwrace]

What do you guys think about this? Worth it?

If it's so good they can send it to Amir or Erin for proper testing.

 

[napilopez]

The last GR research kit speaker tested here did quite well, so I don't doubt this could be a very solid speaker.

 

[bunkbail]

Appears to be using SB29SDAC tweeter (~$50), SB16PFCR25-8 woofer (~$36) and SB16PFCR-00 passive radiator (~$26). Total drivers cost is around $110 per unit. Excellent vertical dispersion for a non-coaxial 2-way and easy 8 ohm load. Appears to have decent sensitivity as well since there's no resistor on the woofer circuit.

 

[sarumbear]

Appears to have decent sensitivity as well since there's no resistor on the woofer circuit.

who would put a resistor in series to a woofer?

 

[bunkbail]

who would put a resistor in series to a woofer?

This guy would

 

[sarumbear]

This guy would

Well, he shouldn’t.

 

[thewas]

Imho nothing special for its $2400 pair price being just for an old school engineering passive 2-way with too large woofer for a tweeter without waveguide and its typical directivity problems

and even less from a less known company which usually will make its used re-sale value very low in case someone wants to change it in the future.

Even many diy-hobbyists nowdays provide quite more advanced designs which can be built for less money.

 

[Vini darko]

Would look and work very nice in a desktop situation. Is the bunched up horizontal sound because the tweeter is offset? Or just not waveguided?

 

[ctrl]

Is the bunched up horizontal sound because the tweeter is offset? Or just not waveguided?

The tweeter has a tiny waveguide or sound lens (whatever you want to call it). This results in somewhat narrower, controlled dispersion in the upper treble followed by pronounced edge diffraction (waveguide is no longer effective) in the 2-4kHz range. An old-school tweeter (without a tiny waveguide) might deliver better results in terms of directivity.

The asymmetrical arrangement of the tweeter helps to alleviate the directivity problem minimally.

Unfortunately, Danny never specifies which angles he measures, it could be, if it comes quite bad, that the 45° or even the 60 ° horizontal frequency response reaches the level of on-axis frequency response in the 2-3 kHz range, but in the upper treble has already dropped 10-15dB.

 

[ad_fletch]

Would be very interesting to have these reviewed here to see whether the vertical dispersion is as good as it seems….

 

[alex-z]

Unfortunately, Danny never specifies which angles he measures, it could be, if it comes quite bad, that the 45° or even the 60 ° horizontal frequency response reaches the level of on-axis frequency response in the 2-3 kHz range, but in the upper treble has already dropped 10-15dB.

I am pretty sure Danny simply moves the microphone 4 inches a time, rather than using fixed angle measurements.

Also, because he uses gated measurements + 1/3 smoothing he has far less potential to notice resonances.

 

[Rick Sykora]

The last GR research kit speaker tested here did quite well, so I don't doubt this could be a very solid speaker.

Suggest Amir was a bit generous with his review. The woofer tuning is underdamped. It resulted in some really inconsistent bass quality.

Not as clear on this one as he does not measure it under 200 Hz. The peaking around 15kHz is likely to result in a more fatiguing listening experience. For $2400, could have a Philharmonitor BMR with a very nice cabinet. This Tyler speaker seems well shy of being competitive in comparison.

 

[behappybevegan]

Gr-reseach designed a tower version now.
The Time Keeper T2.
Looks like they added a 10" woofer (?).
$4700,-

 

[thewas]

And the same directivity problem and poor tuning (off-axis peak in the presence region) like the bookshelf version:

 

[Rick Sykora]

And the same directivity problem and poor tuning (off-axis peak in the presence region) like the bookshelf version:

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The main feature is the added woofer but no measurements except for impedance and it looks like something is leaky.

EDIT: While the cabinet seem nicely done, the Tyler website is sparse on meaningful info. So sparse that this speaker is not even posted! Would look at the Philharmonitor BMR tower or something from Salk Sound before considering these.

 

[behappybevegan]

First impression. With just the drivers costing something like 2000,- euro I was expecting more.

 

[YSC]

And the same directivity problem and poor tuning (off-axis peak in the presence region) like the bookshelf version:

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Didn’t watch the video but somehow I can imagine his tone “this is brilliant, absolutely amazing “

 

[Recluse-Animator]

The woofer is a 8" and there's two more 8" at the back.

According to Danny the FR is "super smooth"...


My conversation with Danny in the comments:

Me: Is it just me or is the tweeter alignment off? 31hz at what? -10db or -6db? Shame no waveguide.

Danny: No, the tweeter alignment is not off. The alignment is ideal. It is asymmetrical to keep surface area reflections from being all in one frequency. -3db down is in the low 30's. No Waveguide needed.

Me: WTF is this BS again! "super smooth" my arse! Between 10 to 20khz it looks like the front of a mans pants who's just entered the Titty Twister. Maybe it's a lack of crystals, pixie tears or grounded unicorn horn...

Danny: That is a 5db scale. So even with the peak (pretty small) it is still +/-1.75db. Plus that little peak is way up there and drops off in the off axis. Nothing wrong with that.