New Trinnov CI - a new approach and pricing model from Trinnov

[Golfx]

Not a competition between us - just an illustration how dumb the marketing videos are. Marantz wins that but Trinnov is close if you look at the substance rather than form.

Linking a video to prove your point should contain some information. First, nobody needs Trinnov or ART to implement double bass array. It has been around for ages and is for free. Good place for general knowledge would of course be Wiki.

Double bass array - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

With that - what does Trinnov 2x2 offer and how is that different than the full monty?

I link the video to show, using a video, what cylindrical wavForming is. Not to prove something.

I am not suggesting you should own a trinnov, or subwoofers, or use waveForming. Oh and I do not have to prove anything to you. I am not arguing. You are.

 

[Oddball]

I likk the video to show, using a video, what cylindrical wavForming is. Not to prove something.

I am not suggesting you should own a trinnov, or subwoofers, or use waveForming. Oh and I do not have to prove anything to you. I am not arguing. You are.

I am not arguing - just discussing and looking for information beyond the marketing feed. And of course you don't need to prove anything.

Amongst all people one would think that you could shed some more light on the waweforming with your system that at least in your signature has the all mighty subs - but 3 of them?

 

[Golfx]

I am not arguing - just discussing and looking for information beyond the marketing feed. And of course you don't need to prove anything.

Amongst all people one would think that you could shed some more light on the waweforming with your system that at least in your signature has the all mighty subs - but 3 of them?

And you could also do your own information gathering without a tutor.

 

[Oddball]

And you could also do your own information gathering without a tutor.

Why would I want to do that? I am perfectly happy with what I have.

I would really need a hard dose or convincing and data supported encouragement to even consider doing anything towards depleting my wallet. Having multiple homes, HTs, cars and kids comes before any HT considerations. Not to mention traveling and well some other things on the side.

Final comment - no need to be cheeky - I am difficult being an Oddball, but reasonably rational. And no need to answer my posts either. If you feel that you can't explain better what Trinnov does in your system, or simply don't want that is perfectly fine. Life continues with or without HT.

 

[Golfx]

Why would I want to do that? I am perfectly happy with what I have.

I would really need a hard dose or convincing and data supported encouragement to even consider doing anything towards depleting my wallet. Having multiple homes, HTs, cars and kids comes before any HT considerations. Not to mention traveling and well some other things on the side.

Final comment - no need to be cheeky - I am difficult being an Oddball, but reasonably rational. And no need to answer my posts either. If you feel that you can't explain better what Trinnov does in your system, or simply don't want that is perfectly fine. Life continues with or without HT.

You come off as entitled and arrogant.

 

[Oddball]

You come off as entitled and arrogant.

I will take that as a compliment? You do seem to be cheeky though - which would be similar?

 

[welwynnick]

Enough!

 

[Andysu]

So what does it actually do - I suppose less than the elaborate waweforming setup they recommend as base case? Would be good to have some actual data or at least some enthusiast experience as opposed to marketing videos.

had a the overrated junk trinnov alt 32 since late last no-year , ( the wave forming ) i bought extra cheap lead and impedance converters , but i'm not much eager or interested at connecting wave forming up , now i wonder why now ?
maybe the LFE.1 is satisfactory THX enough for me
and yes the processor is overrated , got fondle around with laptop to start a show up , oh well least it ain't for those junk rubbish 4k atmos junk re-recording mixers at skywalker sound junk mixes anymore as i'm done with buying 4k atmos dolby labs junk , bubbles of rubbish immersive sound discs , back to laserdisc but even that i need to stop now as i've got far too many , ( just as some may go out and buy far too many subs for their , sub bass ego , marketing that brainwashes , got buy trinnov and 20 subwoofers costing $10k each ) really now
LFE.1 is a overrated rubbish signal channel that dates back to 1977 , its not much dramatically changed , extended bandwith increase frequency and decrease frequency a little extra dynamic range , and that's just about it , nothing extra with rubbish atmos for rubbish dub stages , cinemas and homes , nothing extra more , just a boring mono . 1 filtered bass channel

 

[darth]

Have these started shipping out?

 

[BigStreetCinema]

Have these started shipping out?

Yes yesterday
Some say backorder 8weeks if you order today.
Need to safe some many so hoping for delivery in Dec

 

[darth]

Here is the software overview I found on avsforum thread. Guessing should be similar to existing trinnov products?

https://www.avsforum.com/threads/trinnov-altitudeci-official-thread.3333448/page-11

Having the routing of any to any is very nice.

 

[Golfx]

Yes yesterday
Some say backorder 8weeks if you order today.
Need to safe some many so hoping for delivery in Dec

I would wait about 6 months for other people to help discover issues.

 

[Alfachris]

Hello… I am one of the first owners in France of the Altitude CI… I wanted a device that was as efficient in Hi-Fi as in home cinema… and I am not disappointed.
I have a multi-amplified system, with horn speakers + 2 46cm subwoofers.....the Trinnov serves as a preamp, active filter, room corrector and soon Roon streamer (update in the coming days)....My priority is clearly music.....the Altitude CI is fantastic...it's my best purchase in the last 10 years

 

[etc6849]

A decent video on wave forming by a well known acoustics designer:

Pretty neat idea and seems like it could work. I have doubts if performance can be that much better than my 5 subs with over a dozen bass traps, but could be worth considering.

I definitely want to hear a proper "waveform" setup now as I'm used to exceptionally accurate and tight bass that rolls off very fast in my room. However, it took a lot of trial and error to get there, including elevating my subs off the floor, over a dozen bass traps, time alignment and level matching.

I keep hearing dealers and YouTubers talk about how great Trinnov's room EQ and wave forming are, and they may very well be industry leading. However, show me some distortion measurements. My bass distortion is already so far below 1% at over 90dB and 20 Hz... I have never heard or measured another setup that can compete. For a small room, this is exceptional already with just a $1500 pro audio speaker processor (DSP+DACs inside) and an RME soundcard? Just the 20 channels it would take to run my 5.1 setup is tens of thousands in Trinnov land.

And yes, I tried Dirac Live PC software some time ago, but it added the faintest artifacts to certain songs and wasted digital headroom, so I got rid of it. How do I know Trinnov's room correction won't do the same?

Dirac already made my waterfall plots look perfect, but I finally decided after 100 hours that the digital headroom and getting rid of the artifacts it added, made it not worth it. If you draw a sloped line for my house curve, I'm already +/-5dB with no EQ and no curve smoothing.

That said, I'm still considering a Trinnov Altitude CI just for immersive decoding, and maybe I buy one and like it so much I want to add more channels to wave form my 5 subs...

 

[etc6849]

How much faster is the CI at handshaking/starting audio when starting a movie? The Altitude 16 I saw seemed like it took a while, but hopefully things have improved.

 

[Matt S]

had a the overrated junk trinnov alt 32 since late last no-year , ( the wave forming ) i bought extra cheap lead and impedance converters , but i'm not much eager or interested at connecting wave forming up , now i wonder why now ?
maybe the LFE.1 is satisfactory THX enough for me
and yes the processor is overrated , got fondle around with laptop to start a show up , oh well least it ain't for those junk rubbish 4k atmos junk re-recording mixers at skywalker sound junk mixes anymore as i'm done with buying 4k atmos dolby labs junk , bubbles of rubbish immersive sound discs , back to laserdisc but even that i need to stop now as i've got far too many , ( just as some may go out and buy far too many subs for their , sub bass ego , marketing that brainwashes , got buy trinnov and 20 subwoofers costing $10k each ) really now
LFE.1 is a overrated rubbish signal channel that dates back to 1977 , its not much dramatically changed , extended bandwith increase frequency and decrease frequency a little extra dynamic range , and that's just about it , nothing extra with rubbish atmos for rubbish dub stages , cinemas and homes , nothing extra more , just a boring mono . 1 filtered bass channel

Second post of yours I have seen like this. I have to ask... are you okay?

 

[Fidji]

A decent video on wave forming by a well known acoustics designer:

Pretty neat idea and seems like it could work. I have doubts if performance can be that much better than my 5 subs with over a dozen bass traps, but could be worth considering.

I definitely want to hear a proper "waveform" setup now as I'm used to exceptionally accurate and tight bass that rolls off very fast in my room. However, it took a lot of trial and error to get there, including elevating my subs off the floor, over a dozen bass traps, time alignment and level matching.

I keep hearing dealers and YouTubers talk about how great Trinnov's room EQ and wave forming are, and they may very well be industry leading. However, show me some distortion measurements. My bass distortion is already so far below 1% at over 90dB and 20 Hz... I have never heard or measured another setup that can compete. For a small room, this is exceptional already with just a $1500 pro audio speaker processor (DSP+DACs inside) and an RME soundcard? Just the 20 channels it would take to run my 5.1 setup is tens of thousands in Trinnov land.
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And yes, I tried Dirac Live PC software some time ago, but it added the faintest artifacts to certain songs and wasted digital headroom, so I got rid of it. How do I know Trinnov's room correction won't do the same?

Dirac already made my waterfall plots look perfect, but I finally decided after 100 hours that the digital headroom and getting rid of the artifacts it added, made it not worth it. If you draw a sloped line for my house curve, I'm already +/-5dB with no EQ and no curve smoothing.

That said, I'm still considering a Trinnov Altitude CI just for immersive decoding, and maybe I buy one and like it so much I want to add more channels to wave form my 5 subs...

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If you are reasonably happy with what you have right now in bass, then no need to try Waveforming. I think you would still like it, as there is part of WF bass quality, that is similar to well employed nearfield subs. This clean wave of energy that goes right through you combined with raw pressure in lowest octave, good stuff, even if you decide not to go for it try to get into some room with properly calibrated WF and you will hear for yourself.

Your room is too small as WF requires minimum 5m [ideally 5.5m and more] of length to work properly and I would say at least 4.2m wide. My 32sqm room is kind of edge case for proper WF. Second topic - WF is quite wasteful with resources - what you hear above approx 30Hz are just front subs, so for you to get the same output you would need at least 6 subs [4 front/2 rear] in order to be where you are right now. And last, but not least - your front wall is quite busy and I do not see how you would properly place front wall subs properly and if you don’t you are throwing away a lot of performance.

Saying that - if you really want it - you will be able to squeeze it in somehow and make it work reasonably well, as WF is surprisingly flexible. As a side effect you will be able to significantly reduce need for bass trapping, so you will get more flexibility in acoustic treatments strategy. In my case t this part was absolute revelation and final piece of puzzle that allowed me to upgrade also other parts of my system.

this is e.g. measurement template for 3 seater like yours.

Second post of yours I have seen like this. I have to ask... are you okay?

He seems to be a good guy [cares deeply about his pets]. He holds a set of few quite niche and extravagant beliefs [After Laserdisc it all went downhill, Atmos very bad, as it misses underground layer], but it is not changing.

As they say - difference between being perceived as refreshingly extravagant and batsh...t crazy is 10M USD on your bank account.

 

[Fredd3]

I ordered one with 10 channels last week. The dealer told me there is a queue for delivery, so I should expect to have it in 6-8 weeks. Currently I have a 2.2 system, but I intend to add 2 surrounds and 4 atmos speakers for surround/movie purposes. Really looking forward to integrating my subs properly also