New Trinnov CI - a new approach and pricing model from Trinnov

[Oddball]

Most people were probably not following Trinnov as it was always associated with high price, many channels that most don't need and thus was not really competitive.

But seems like Trinnov has chosen a different path for the new CI line.

I am not any particular expert in Trinnov, but just sharing the update. Prices seem to have gone down from the previous models which could indicate Trinnov's intent to move to a bit broader market. Probably requires a separate calibration mic (i.e. not in price) but not sure how much is that one. It is a different one than from previous Trinnov mics for Altitude 16 and 32.

I will not be rushing into Trinnov, but good to be informed. Perhaps some other members are more into Trinnov and can explain features etc. in more detail.

More information about CI from Trinnov website below.

Trinnov | Trinnov AltitudeCI | Scalable AV Processor with Dante AoIP

Explore AltitudeCI, Trinnov’s rack-optimized AV processor with Dante, AES67, and up to 64 channels. Designed for scalable, high-performance custom integration.

www.trinnov.com

 

[Golfx]

It does require an amp with a Dante board to use ethernet pathway. Such as the Trinnov Amp16.

 

[OCA]

It does require an amp with a Dante board to use ethernet pathway. Such as the Trinnov Amp16.

And only about 12 subwoofers buried in front and rear walls

 

[welwynnick]

And only about 12 subwoofers buried in front and rear walls

But only if you want to use waveforming and you have a particulatly large room.

It does require an amp with a Dante board to use ethernet pathway. Such as the Trinnov Amp16.

Or you can use the AES EBU output for conventional solutions.

 

[Everett T]

Most people were probably not following Trinnov as it was always associated with high price, many channels that most don't need and thus was not really competitive.

But seems like Trinnov has chosen a different path for the new CI line.

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I am not any particular expert in Trinnov, but just sharing the update. Prices seem to have gone down from the previous models which could indicate Trinnov's intent to move to a bit broader market. Probably requires a separate calibration mic (i.e. not in price) but not sure how much is that one. It is a different one than from previous Trinnov mics for Altitude 16 and 32.

I will not be rushing into Trinnov, but good to be informed. Perhaps some other members are more into Trinnov and can explain features etc. in more detail.

More information about CI from Trinnov website below.

Trinnov | Trinnov AltitudeCI | Scalable AV Processor with Dante AoIP

Explore AltitudeCI, Trinnov’s rack-optimized AV processor with Dante, AES67, and up to 64 channels. Designed for scalable, high-performance custom integration.

www.trinnov.com

With it being a CI line, I'm wondering if you have to buy from and have the installation done buy a dealer (at least for a period of time)?

 

[Golfx]

With it being a CI line, I'm wondering if you have to buy from and have the installation done buy a dealer (at least for a period of time)?

All these are dealer sold and supported.

Selling on the internet would be a mistake with high end audio as it leads to a race to the bottom of pricing. Each internet sales trying to be the cheapest. Leaves little
room for quality customer service.

 

[Kal Rubinson]

It does require an amp with a Dante board to use ethernet pathway. Such as the Trinnov Amp16.

Or a speaker/amp/DAC with AES67.

 

[Oddball]

I think the bigger problem for most that would have use for this offering is that prices exclude VAT and the mic.

I do agree with some members in the thread that Waweforming remains a bit too exclusive concept though. At a minimum they should IMO (which is worth less than electricity spent on this post) make it work with plain 2x2 bass array placed on the ground in at least some flexible arrangement. That is the software magic that they still don't have.

 

[Golfx]

Or a speaker/amp/DAC with AES67.

You are correct—which is why I stated “ethernet pathway.”

 

[Golfx]

I think the bigger problem for most that would have use for this offering is that prices exclude VAT and the mic.

I do agree with some members in the thread that Waweforming remains a bit too exclusive concept though. At a minimum they should IMO (which is worth less than electricity spent on this post) make it work with plain 2x2 bass array placed on the ground in at least some flexible arrangement. That is the software magic that they still don't have.

Actually they do have an option called “cylindrical waveforming” that can use just 4 subs even if placed on the floor. See description starting at 6:56 on the below video.

 

[Oddball]

Actually they do have an option called “cylindrical waveforming” that can use just 4 subs even if placed on the floor. See description starting at 6:56 on the below video.

So what does it actually do - I suppose less than the elaborate waweforming setup they recommend as base case? Would be good to have some actual data or at least some enthusiast experience as opposed to marketing videos.

 

[Golfx]

So what does it actually do - I suppose less than the elaborate waweforming setup they recommend as base case? Would be good to have some actual data or at least some enthusiast experience as opposed to marketing videos.

So you didn’t watch the video did you? Try less skepticism and more curiosity.

 

[Oddball]

So you didn’t watch the video did you? Try less skepticism and more curiosity.

You mean relevant 10 seconds of the video? I did - but told me nothing. Sorry but my skull is a bit hard . What I heard is really nothing that I would even remember or take seriously.

Let me post a video in return that will tell you why Trinnov will never sound as good as Marantz, according to the marketing guys . Some really good stuff - around 3:00 to 5:00 min will probably be enough. Since we are relying on marketing guys to evaluate product this is probably (most likely) appropriate.

 

[Golfx]

You mean relevant 10 seconds of the video? I did - but told me nothing. Sorry but my skull is a bit hard . What I heard is really nothing that I would even remember or take seriously.

Let me post a video in return that will tell you why Trinnov will never sound as good as Marantz, according to the marketing guys . Some really good stuff - around 3:00 to 5:00 min will probably be enough. Since we are relying on marketing guys to evaluate product this is probably (most likely) appropriate.

Huh, suddenly, I just realized I, without knowing, started a competition with a marantz owner?

Sorry, but my intention was just answering a question and then offering that waveForming can accommodate less subs including a 2x2 formation.

 

[Oddball]

Huh, suddenly, I just realized I, without knowing, started a competition with a marantz owner?

Sorry, but my intention was just answering a question and then offering that waveForming can accommodate less subs including a 2x2 formation.

Not a competition between us - just an illustration how dumb the marketing videos are. Marantz wins that but Trinnov is close if you look at the substance rather than form.

Linking a video to prove your point should contain some information. First, nobody needs Trinnov or ART to implement double bass array. It has been around for ages and is for free. Good place for general knowledge would of course be Wiki.

Double bass array - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

With that - what does Trinnov 2x2 offer and how is that different than the full monty?

 

[JRowland]

With that - what does Trinnov 2x2 offer and how is that different than the full monty?

The entire ceiling either needs to be acoustically treated or non-existent, no big deal I immediately thought of @kawauso jungle room and the beautiful high ceiling. So instead of a gazillion subs mounted from floor to ceiling (planar waveforming) you just need to remove the ceiling basically for cylindrical waveforming. A benefit of cylindrical is owners can use regular tv screens instead of fabric or whatever (I'm not into home theater at all so I don't know what those not glass screens are made of or if TVs still use glass).

 

[Oddball]

The entire ceiling either needs to be acoustically treated or non-existent, no big deal I immediately thought of @kawauso jungle room and the beautiful high ceiling. So instead of a gazillion subs mounted from floor to ceiling (planar waveforming) you just need to remove the ceiling basically for cylindrical waveforming. A benefit of cylindrical is owners can use regular tv screens instead of fabric or whatever (I'm not into home theater at all so I don't know what those not glass screens are made of or if TVs still use glass).

Well this is helpful and thanks for pitching in. But still does not add up. How is that, and in what aspects different than traditional 2x2 DBA? Makes it easier, harder, different or what? I assume you would want the answer that Trinnov makes it easier.

I forgot to mention Dirac ART though. That is separate question, but given this is Trinnov thread probably best to keep it out.

 

[JRowland]

Well this is helpful and thanks for pitching in. But still does not add up. How is that, and in what aspects different than traditional 2x2 DBA? Makes it easier, harder, different or what? I assume you would want the answer that Trinnov makes it easier.

I forgot to mention Dirac ART though. That is separate question, but given this is Trinnov thread probably best to keep it out.

No clue, I just watched the video out of boredom at work. I was just summing it up for you what the cylindrical waveforming video was about. I'm a selfish music listener with a single seat that doesn't watch TV or movies. I am a curious listener but have no plans of involving TVs or other folks in my time/space.

 

[Oddball]

No clue, I just watched the video out of boredom at work. I was just summing it up for you what the cylindrical waveforming video was about. I'm a selfish music listener with a single seat that doesn't watch TV or movies. I am a curious listener but have no plans of involving TVs or other folks in my time/space.

Well perhaps you and @Kal Rubinson can e-shake hands.

I need pixels at this point in my life as well as sound waves. Together in a perfect synch.

But for "new" technologies I also need a firm explanation of what to expect, preferably from the engineering department as opposed to marketing department. As AV10 owner still ashamed of the video posted above, but in the real world it does not make AV10 any better or worse.

 

[JRowland]

Well perhaps you and @Kal Rubinson can e-shake hands.

I've got a very budget sort of version of Kal's set up, not gonna lie I daydream about his system more than I should.