Same here. I got the email this morning and had a laugh when it was presented as an 'upgrade' but it is exactly what we already have.
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New Tidal Pricing
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This seems like a positive move.
Seems the free tier does not work with Roon.
Sticking with Qobuz for now then.
Sticking with Qobuz for now then.
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One good result is one step down from premium does not include MQA files.
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On the artist side there is also this new policy which is a plus (received this note from my distributor today):
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Its neat seeing Tidal trying to branch out but there's one problem. If you have a non-mqa plan, your still gonna be feed MQA files. Tidal isn't gonna go offer 2 different kind of flacs. Why double the size of your music service's library when most people couldn't tell the different between a MP3 & a FLAC. You could move to another service like Qobuz that offers flac's up to 192khz 24bit but there's a catch. Most FLACs on these streaming services come from bad CDs & other sources. CDs and higher (Yes even the 192khz 24bit files) suffer from the loudness wars and even been mastered with generational masters. That's why I don't really care about streaming services that offer FLACs. Am I against the idea of people wanting FLACs? No I'm not. I just want actual good flacs, ones that come from first release CDs (bare minimum) and even well mastered that come from good companies like MFSL.
When I see FLACs on these streaming services I think of this:
Cheap terrible mastered loudness wars fueled CDs. That's what your money gets folks.
When I see FLACs on these streaming services I think of this:
Cheap terrible mastered loudness wars fueled CDs. That's what your money gets folks.
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Sadly, it does. They just don't unfold. https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/new-tidal-pricing.28191/post-977690
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I didn't want to unfold them anyhow. 13 bits should be enough for anyone don't ya think????
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I'm going with that tier too and pretending I never read anything ever about these pseudo lossless 13 real bit files. The computer says 16/44.1 and that must be right, right?I didn't want to unfold them anyhow. 13 bits should be enough for anyone don't ya think????
It's 1 louder than vinyl can manage, so it must be great. I'll be interested if I notice a difference.I didn't want to unfold them anyhow. 13 bits should be enough for anyone don't ya think????
It looks like Tidal Free does not allow you to cast to anything, so I can't even send the stream from my phone/tablet to my Chromecast.
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It is also only one less than the original Philips proposal which is 14 bit digital. Sony had to really dig in to get us 16 bit. That is why the early Philips players had oversampling 14 bit converters. They had committed to 14 bit chips already.
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Do I need to become an artist? Where do I start? Okay, first I need to buy music gear then learn to play an instrument and then compose a song and then convince a studio to work on it and persuade the studio to persuade Tidal to buy my song and then to find lots of people who want to listen to my crap. Then I may benefit from Tidal plus fully. Great, I have a plan for getting this great deal from Tidal which I may get, perhaps, or perhaps not!
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Or perhaps you could consider better supporting the artists who make the music you enjoy. Oh, that might be too altruistic though.
I signed up for one month free and the 2nd month for just $2 for the HiFi tier. Fun for 2 months for just $2 while I continue to wait and see what the hell Spotify is going to do. I don't envy them, last to market decisions are usually pretty terrible, they let everyone else set the price point.
So far my only gripe with Tidal is that based on what I've been listening to in the last 5 days, the algorithm for recommendations does not seem very peppy. I'm still getting shown, uh, things I would NOT listen to. Probably just needs more data to get accurate? Spotify's recommendations are pretty good, not 100% but pretty good. (I'm usually deciding myself what is new that I want to listen to, but it's a nice adjunct.)
So far my only gripe with Tidal is that based on what I've been listening to in the last 5 days, the algorithm for recommendations does not seem very peppy. I'm still getting shown, uh, things I would NOT listen to. Probably just needs more data to get accurate? Spotify's recommendations are pretty good, not 100% but pretty good. (I'm usually deciding myself what is new that I want to listen to, but it's a nice adjunct.)
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this Spotify, what is the problem with this company not getting into the high res bandwagon as everyone else?
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The payouts scheme change is enough to call it an upgrade imho. It's depressing to see people comfy with shelling out thousands for (often redundant) gear while expecting the music to be free. Reminds me of all those 1 star app reviews given because you have to pay $4.99.
It's easy to forget there are talented, hardworking individuals at the other end of the conveyor belt feeding us the 'content'.
Ofc 10% of a user's monthly fee is not nearly enough, but at least a step in the right direction.
It's easy to forget there are talented, hardworking individuals at the other end of the conveyor belt feeding us the 'content'.
Ofc 10% of a user's monthly fee is not nearly enough, but at least a step in the right direction.
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The price-performance ratio of Tidal is bad as a huge portion of Tidal music is pretty crappy, cheaply made crap; that I have to pay for to feed an army of those bad less talented who produce noise not different from each other. Wish they could split Tidal in half for us serious musical and audio lovers with good quality music so that we only pay half of what we pay today. We probably need an alternative to Tidal. Which one?
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