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New Stereophile measurements of Weiss DAC204

I am puzzled by the jitter test:

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If this is J-test, why is the spectrum of the square wave missing? Here is a comparison to a $300 DAC (with 48 kHz sampling):

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You can see the square wave being resolved on the left. But I don't see that in your measurement.
Note the frequency axis in Mr. Atkinson's graph. The square wave is simply cut off.

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Thanks!
 
We are used to much better performance around here. :) I am puzzled by the jitter test:

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If this is J-test, why is the spectrum of the square wave missing? Here is a comparison to a $300 DAC (with 48 kHz sampling):
You can see the square wave being resolved on the left. But I don't see that in your measurement. Ignoring that bit, pun intended, the rest of the response is just as clean as the Weiss (note that I go down to -160 dB vs your -150 dB).

A clever choice of chart scale ;)
 
Excellent exchange though I now feel dumbish for spending as much as I did for my SMSL 400es when I could have spent $300 for the same effective performance and had enough money left to get a leg up on a pair of ascii lab speakers.
 
It is not appropriate to take just one measurement, the harmonic distortion spectrum, to contradict my conclusion that the Weiss DAC204's "The measured performance of the Weiss 204 is state of the digital art." If you look at the complete set of measurements at the link below, you will note that as well as both harmonic and intermodulation distortion still being extremely low in level, the DAC204 offers vanishingly low linearity error down to –120dBFS with 24-bit data, an extremely low noisefloor with a measured resolution of 21 bits, and complete rejection of data-related jitter. Taken together, this led to my conclusion.


John Atkinson
Technical Editor, Stereophile
John,
A very basic question, sorry in advance:
When a DAC does its analog task, it passes the data through a filter (say, a sincx function or the like); and according Shannon, a simple 1 khz sine wave, even at 16/44, should lead to a perfect wave reconstruction. Then… why this jagged plot in every DaC measurement? Or are we still seeing here data in digital domain, prior to analog conversion? If so, is there any meaningful issues seeing this jagged data as an input for the filter, given that it should lead to a perfectly rounded sine wave anyway?
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John,
A very basic question, sorry in advance:
When a DAC does its analog task, it passes the data through a filter (say, a sincx function or the like); and according Shannon, a simple 1 khz sine wave, even at 16/44, should lead to a perfect wave reconstruction. Then… why this jagged plot in every DaC measurement? Or are we still seeing here data in digital domain, prior to analog conversion? If so, is there any meaningful issues seeing this jagged data as an input for the filter, given that it should lead to a perfectly rounded sine wave anyway?
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This is the waveform at the D/A processor's analog output, ie, after the reconstruction filter. (You can see the ringing of the filter on the waveform's leading edges.) The 16-bit data aren't dithered and at this specific level, -90.31dBFS, the data points consists of -1 least significant bit (LSB), 0, and +1LSB. In the twos-complement encoding used by 16-bit digital audio, –1 LSB is represented by 1111 1111 1111 1111, digital zero by 0000 0000 0000 0000, and +1 LSB by 0000 0000 0000 0001. If the waveform is symmetrical, this indicates that changing all 16 bits in the digital word gives exactly the same change in the analog output level as changing just the LSB.

John Atkinson
Technical Editor, Stereophile
 
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John,
A very basic question, sorry in advance:
When a DAC does its analog task, it passes the data through a filter (say, a sincx function or the like); and according Shannon, a simple 1 khz sine wave, even at 16/44, should lead to a perfect wave reconstruction. Then… why this jagged plot in every DaC measurement? Or are we still seeing here data in digital domain, prior to analog conversion? If so, is there any meaningful issues seeing this jagged data as an input for the filter, given that it should lead to a perfectly rounded sine wave anyway?
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When you look at the time axis, the test signal has a period of 1 ms, and it was not supposed to be a sine wave type signal. Below are a rough estimation of the samples (assuming fs = 44.1 kHz), and the reconstruction using a linear phase reconstruction filter. The measured output was actually reasonably close to the textbook case.

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A second point I'd like to make is that, at close to the LSB level, one would expect to see dithering. However, in this case it was a special test signal and no dithering was applied. It is not the job of a DAC to (always) add dither. It is for the creator of the original signal to decide whether to add dither or not.
 
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