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New Sony MDR-MV1 - Professional Open Back Headphones

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Well, this is a horrible peak at 6kHz (and a huge dip at 4.5kHZ). Generally it seems that it is on the bright side, even big time. Also the overall look appears to be very plasticky. Without having listened to it, I would most probably prefer the HD 650 with it's much smoother response, just EQ some bass in.

Indeed the default curve is quite problematic and with no EQ I'd prefer the HD650 over it. Personally I'm only interested in their potential EQability though, and while I'm not certain that anything past around 4kHz would fit the bill without additional tests performed, the HD650 also has issues above that frequency, essentially related to pad wear over time, and both will have some degree of variation above that frequency between individuals and between test rigs and individuals.

Since so much of the front volume for the MDR-MV1 is dictated by the memory foam pads, how they'll effectively compress when they're on my head, and how they'll wear out over time will be quite an important factor and could alter the ratio between the SPL below around 3-5kHz and above, if the MDR-MV1 behave under pad compression like most other largely vented fully open dynamic HPs.

Did you compare HD650 under the same test bench? Otherwise, any comment on FR is pointless... ;)
Measurements processes and instrumentations are so different between reviewers that you may not fairly compare one FR to the other. BTW, the "HD650" dashed line on the graph quoted seems to be simulated FR with Oratory EQ. So hardly any comparaison to speak about here.

For these large over-ears with an open front volume there won't be a huge difference between decent 711 fixtures (soft pinnae) or even operators up to several kHz, and the measurements will translate fairly well to what actually happens on your own head - or at least a difference of a less significant magnitude than the trends observed when comparing the MV1 with the HD650.

The dashed line in the graphs above and below is the Harman target.

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I've single out the ASR measurements as, as StaticV3 already mentioned, it shares a similar format with Aregina's. The HD650's sample variation can explain some of the differences above :
 

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Indeed the default curve is quite problematic and with no EQ I'd prefer the HD650 over it. Personally I'm only interested in their potential EQability though, and while I'm not certain that anything past around 4kHz would fit the bill without additional tests performed, the HD650 also has issues above that frequency, essentially related to pad wear over time, and both will have some degree of variation above that frequency between individuals and between test rigs and individuals.

Since so much of the front volume for the MDR-MV1 is dictated by the memory foam pads, how they'll effectively compress when they're on my head, and how they'll wear out over time will be quite an important factor and could alter the ratio between the SPL below around 3-5kHz and above, if the MDR-MV1 behave under pad compression like most other largely vented fully open dynamic HPs.



For these large over-ears with an open front volume there won't be a huge difference between decent 711 fixtures (soft pinnae) or even operators up to several kHz, and the measurements will translate fairly well to what actually happens on your own head - or at least a difference of a less significant magnitude than the trends observed when comparing the MV1 with the HD650.

The dashed line in the graphs above and below is the Harman target.

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I've single out the ASR measurements as, as StaticV3 already mentioned, it shares a similar format with Aregina's. The HD650's sample variation can explain some of the differences above :
So at the very least, a 1dB recession between 1-2 Khz and 2-4dB elevation at 6-8kHz. Looks like problematic deviations.
 

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Indeed the default curve is quite problematic and with no EQ I'd prefer the HD650 over it. Personally I'm only interested in their potential EQability though, and while I'm not certain that anything past around 4kHz would fit the bill without additional tests performed, the HD650 also has issues above that frequency, essentially related to pad wear over time, and both will have some degree of variation above that frequency between individuals and between test rigs and individuals.

Since so much of the front volume for the MDR-MV1 is dictated by the memory foam pads, how they'll effectively compress when they're on my head, and how they'll wear out over time will be quite an important factor and could alter the ratio between the SPL below around 3-5kHz and above, if the MDR-MV1 behave under pad compression like most other largely vented fully open dynamic HPs.



For these large over-ears with an open front volume there won't be a huge difference between decent 711 fixtures (soft pinnae) or even operators up to several kHz, and the measurements will translate fairly well to what actually happens on your own head - or at least a difference of a less significant magnitude than the trends observed when comparing the MV1 with the HD650.

The dashed line in the graphs above and below is the Harman target.

View attachment 280798
I've single out the ASR measurements as, as StaticV3 already mentioned, it shares a similar format with Aregina's. The HD650's sample variation can explain some of the differences above :
Yes, as I said before, above, say, 100Hz, the Sennheiser HD 650 is much closer to Harman AND even where it is deviating, has a much smoother FR. The big dip follwowed by a big peak of the SONY seem hard to equalize properly. The lack of bass of th HD6500 much more easily so.
 

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Hmmm as soon as these are on Amazon I might pick them up. The V6 is my closed back of choice.
 

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Looking forward to the lowdown from Amir. Having used the Sony MDR-7506 for over two decades on the production side, an opened back offering from Sony is super interesting. Currently running the HD6XX and welcome something even lighter and more collapsable, while being somewhat flat (and supported by Sonarworks calibration)

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I have the MDR-V1 at home for about a week.

Short thoughts:

- The packaging is surprisingly poor. Headphones come bare in a thin box, no carry bag, just the MDR-V1, its cable, adaptor and that's pretty much it ! Which, honestly, is a good thing, I prefer to pay more for the actual headphones.
- Speaking about it, the build quality screams cheap. I am puzzled how they dare to sell this for 469€ (EU MSRP so far). It certainly looks like 69€ headphones, without the "400" ahead. Everything is made of plastic, but the grilles of the earcups (aluminium). The headband (thin faux leather) won't look like new very long, that's for sure... Put the Beyer DT1990 that retails for the same price in comparison, the latter is just in another world regarding built quality and perceived solidity.
- I really like the pads. Good balance between softness, fit and seal. Ideal size for my ears.
- It is very comfortable on my head, thanks to its little weight. No undesirable clamping force, good fit and stability. Its strongest point, IMHO.
- The cable is cool: thick, flexible and not much microphonic.
- Sound... Definitely bright side of neutral. Excellent bass extension and impact for open-backs. Not excessively wide soundstage but precise imaging. Detailed, with somewhat balanced mids, but (really) grainy hi-mids and harsh treble. Honestly, I could not listen to it very long.
- Very sensitive. I drive it with my ADI-2/4 PRO pretty loud with IEM Ref Level.

Overall, kind of a mixed bag. It is hard to either like it or hate it. I was thinking, if @solderdude would be interested to measure this one, I could consider a loan. Then, after reading the data, I could think about applying an EQ from there.
 
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Would be interested in measuring it but if one wants industry standard measurements contacting @oratory1990 would be the best bet.
Both I and Oratory are located in Europe.

Should you be interested in a passive filter for it (addresses the harsh treble) then I could certainly do this. Knowing Sony headphones and this is for monitoring a treble peak is very likely to be present. This cannot be shown using industry standard fixtures though, when in the sharpness range.
 

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I have the MDR-V1 at home for about a week.

Short thoughts:

- The packaging is surprisingly poor. Headphones come bare in a thin box, no carry bag, just the MDR-V1, its cable, adaptor and that's pretty much it ! Which, honestly, is a good thing, I prefer to pay more for the actual headphones.
- Speaking about it, the build quality screams cheap. I am puzzled how they dare to sell this for 469€ (EU MSRP so far). It certainly looks like 69€ headphones, without the "400" ahead. Everything is made of plastic, but the grilles of the earcups (aluminium). The headband (thin faux leather) won't look like new very long, that's for sure... Put the Beyer DT1990 that retails for the same price in comparison, the latter is just in another world regarding built quality and perceived solidity.
- I really like the pads. Good balance between softness, fit and seal. Ideal size for my ears.
- It is very comfortable on my head, thanks to its little weight. No undesirable clamping force, good fit and stability. Its strongest point, IMHO.
- The cable is cool: thick, flexible and not much microphonic.
- Sound... Definitely bright side of neutral. Excellent bass extension and impact for open-backs. Not excessively wide soundstage but precise imaging. Detailed, with somewhat balanced mids, but (really) grainy hi-mids and harsh treble. Honestly, I could not listen to it very long.
- Very sensitive. I drive it with my ADI-2/4 PRO pretty loud with IEM Ref Level.

Overall, kind of a mixed bag. It is hard to either like it or hate it. I was thinking, if @solderdude would be interested to measure this one, I could think about a loan. Then, after reading the data, I could think about applying an EQ from there.

Is there anything special with regards to 'spatial sound' or '3d audio'? Something they seem to emphasise a bit in the marketing bumf.

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With regards to the second point about HRTF, I believe I have seen it mentioned that there is a sony app you can use to scan your ear and presumably generate some kind of eq/dsp combined with the data about the headphone that the app already knows about (how they measure on average or something)? Sounds a bit gimmicky and inconvenient as I imagine it only works with various sony apps but might be interesting to try.
 

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View attachment 285664

I have the MDR-V1 at home for about a week.

Short thoughts:

- The packaging is surprisingly poor. Headphones come bare in a thin box, no carry bag, just the MDR-V1, its cable, adaptor and that's pretty much it ! Which, honestly, is a good thing, I prefer to pay more for the actual headphones.
- Speaking about it, the build quality screams cheap. I am puzzled how they dare to sell this for 469€ (EU MSRP so far). It certainly looks like 69€ headphones, without the "400" ahead. Everything is made of plastic, but the grilles of the earcups (aluminium). The headband (thin faux leather) won't look like new very long, that's for sure... Put the Beyer DT1990 that retails for the same price in comparison, the latter is just in another world regarding built quality and perceived solidity.
- I really like the pads. Good balance between softness, fit and seal. Ideal size for my ears.
- It is very comfortable on my head, thanks to its little weight. No undesirable clamping force, good fit and stability. Its strongest point, IMHO.
- The cable is cool: thick, flexible and not much microphonic.
- Sound... Definitely bright side of neutral. Excellent bass extension and impact for open-backs. Not excessively wide soundstage but precise imaging. Detailed, with somewhat balanced mids, but (really) grainy hi-mids and harsh treble. Honestly, I could not listen to it very long.
- Very sensitive. I drive it with my ADI-2/4 PRO pretty loud with IEM Ref Level.

Overall, kind of a mixed bag. It is hard to either like it or hate it. I was thinking, if @solderdude would be interested to measure this one, I could consider a loan. Then, after reading the data, I could think about applying an EQ from there.
All Sony studio cans have been cheap feeling for years now 7506,7510,7520,M1ST,V6, CD900 etc... Tho imo aside from Beyer, Neumann, & now Rode I suppose, that seems to be the case w/ most studio headphones. Even Sennheiser, Roland, Yamaha, AKG, Audio Technica etc all the typical studio headphone companies have had cheap feeling studio cans for decades. I'm not 100% certain but it may just have to do w/ the fact that they're designed to be beat up in studios and replaced under warranties frequently. And as such companies prob did the math and realized it was better to spend less money on the materials and focus on the sound the design of the product instead. Chances are they will end up lasting quite a while though even if they feel super cheap.
 

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Is there anything special with regards to 'spatial sound' or '3d audio'? Something they seem to emphasise a bit in the marketing bumf.

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With regards to the second point about HRTF, I believe I have seen it mentioned that there is a sony app you can use to scan your ear and presumably generate some kind of eq/dsp combined with the data about the headphone that the app already knows about (how they measure on average or something)? Sounds a bit gimmicky and inconvenient as I imagine it only works with various sony apps but might be interesting to try.
There's supposed to be 2 different HRTF services, the generic HRTF that uses simple profiles to cater a curve that you can DIY using the app, and the one that is provided by certain distributors and outlets in the US by Sony specialists where they measure your HRTF professionally. Allegedly the stock wacky tuning is done because its intended to be used in conjunction w/ an HRTF profile which yields the best final response for the listener.
 

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I have the MDR-V1 at home for about a week.

Short thoughts:

- The packaging is surprisingly poor. Headphones come bare in a thin box, no carry bag, just the MDR-V1, its cable, adaptor and that's pretty much it ! Which, honestly, is a good thing, I prefer to pay more for the actual headphones.
- Speaking about it, the build quality screams cheap. I am puzzled how they dare to sell this for 469€ (EU MSRP so far). It certainly looks like 69€ headphones, without the "400" ahead. Everything is made of plastic, but the grilles of the earcups (aluminium). The headband (thin faux leather) won't look like new very long, that's for sure... Put the Beyer DT1990 that retails for the same price in comparison, the latter is just in another world regarding built quality and perceived solidity.
- I really like the pads. Good balance between softness, fit and seal. Ideal size for my ears.
- It is very comfortable on my head, thanks to its little weight. No undesirable clamping force, good fit and stability. Its strongest point, IMHO.
- The cable is cool: thick, flexible and not much microphonic.
- Sound... Definitely bright side of neutral. Excellent bass extension and impact for open-backs. Not excessively wide soundstage but precise imaging. Detailed, with somewhat balanced mids, but (really) grainy hi-mids and harsh treble. Honestly, I could not listen to it very long.
- Very sensitive. I drive it with my ADI-2/4 PRO pretty loud with IEM Ref Level.

Overall, kind of a mixed bag. It is hard to either like it or hate it. I was thinking, if @solderdude would be interested to measure this one, I could consider a loan. Then, after reading the data, I could think about applying an EQ from there.
I really don't understand the complaint of the "cheap plastic" whilst also praising it's low weight and comfort.

Outside of going the carbon fiber route( which isn't attainable at this price point), plastics are the best to cater for weight.
 
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I really don't understand the complaint of the "cheap plastic" whilst also praising it's low weight and comfort.
Pity you don't understand, then...

There are many perceived quality of plastic, that can be both light and feel solid. One has been left out in that case.
 

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I just found out that Sony released these, I currently have NDH30 and NDH20, and I am very interested in these Sony!
 

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Hello Sir! Sites like rtings seem to have published measurements for these headphones.
Could you please calculate your beautiful Score EQ based on this?

 

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Hello Sir! Sites like rtings seem to have published measurements for these headphones.
Could you please calculate your beautiful Score EQ based on this?

I would need the data measured on a GRAS 43 or 45CA which is not the case in either of these links...
 

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Hello Sir! Sites like rtings seem to have published measurements for these headphones.
Could you please calculate your beautiful Score EQ based on this?

That treble peak seems totally fixable with a passive filter (or EQ).
Tonal tilt seems similar (except for the substantial treble peak) to the S5X.
A bit like the HD598 it seems with slightly better bass extension but alas a nasty treble spike (sharpness)
 

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Hello Sir! Sites like rtings seem to have published measurements for these headphones.
Could you please calculate your beautiful Score EQ based on this?

Seems like actual confirmed measurements seem much more tame in the bass region than some of the initial measurements portrayed. Glad to see the actual response is pretty competent. Might snag a pair in the near future
 

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That treble peak seems totally fixable with a passive filter (or EQ).
Tonal tilt seems similar (except for the substantial treble peak) to the S5X.
A bit like the HD598 it seems with slightly better bass extension but alas a nasty treble spike (sharpness)
you mean over 8k~9k range? Do i have to down a bit by EQing?
 
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