What's the difference, unzipped?
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New "Science": FLAC vs. WAV
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What's the difference, unzipped?
Sorry, if you can't hear it, you don't have the right ears, or the right equipment, or the right recordings. For we who do, differences like this are obvious! And someday someone will finally do the right blind test that shows it, I'm sure. After all now we have a JAES peer reviewed meta-analysis to back us up.
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OK, you are putting us on. We know your utterly irrational upset at the Reiss paper on hi rez vs. RBCD, which explains your sour grapes mindset on that topic. But, that proves absolutely nothing, as in zero, with regard to FLAC vs. WAV. So, what references do you have on the actual current topic we are discussing here in this thread?
Clearly you are nothing but a provocative troll who has nothing of substance to say
Clearly you are nothing but a provocative troll who has nothing of substance to say
Me, irrationally bound to a mindset? Kind of rich, coming from someone of the 'well, I hear it, I think everyone has to make their own judgement' camp.
And if you think 'FLAC vs WAV' is a subject to be treated seriously, rather than satirically, you're missing the point.
And if you think 'FLAC vs WAV' is a subject to be treated seriously, rather than satirically, you're missing the point.
Not obvious to me...
Create WAV file, encode into FLAC level 8, decode to WAV.
File compare:
X:\Temp>fc /b noise.wav noise2.wav
Comparing files noise.wav and NOISE2.WAV
FC: no differences encountered
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OK, so what evidence do YOU have to offer to this serious debate?
Have that, have never noticed an issue playing this disk ...
Look, there are plenty of us who can hear these things and are reporting on it -- on head-fi, on computeraudiophile, in TAS columns, in Barry Diament's and Cookie Marengo's studios -- so regardless of what file comparison says, regardless of negative blind test results (probably invalid anyway due to Type II error!), there's something there.
We gotta stop dismissing it as nonsense, until we figure out what's going on!
All systems I have had never sound their best from switch on - drivers need to reach an equilibrium with regard to their suspension suppleness, electrolytic capacitors get to a normal working temperature, etc; there is always a cycle of tonality changes lasting for a certain number of playings and/or time - until that changing stabilises, I don't take the sound of a system seriously.
As an example, my current setup sounds quite pleasant immediately on switch on, but lacks detail; as playing continues it becomes more detailed but an unpleasant edge intrudes, "difficult" recordings are not nice to listen to; finally, that edge fades away and a decently competent SQ, with plenty of detail, is the stable end point, for the rest of the day.
General "Buck" Turgidson: Uh, we're, still trying to figure out the meaning of that last phrase, sir.
President Merkin Muffley: There's nothing to figure out, General Turgidson. This man is obviously a psychotic.
We can no longer sit back and allow 'objectivist' infiltration, 'objectivist' indoctrination, 'objectivist' subversion and the international 'objectivist' conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids. Unless it's a meta-analysis.
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Look, there are plenty of us who can hear these things and are reporting on it -- on head-fi, on computeraudiophile, in TAS columns, in Barry Diament's and Cookie Marengo's studios -- so regardless of what file comparison says, regardless of negative blind test results (probably invalid anyway due to Type II error!), there's something there.
We gotta stop dismissing it as nonsense, until we figure out what's going on!
Ok, so help us figure it out with something of substance, other than uncontrolled listener anecdotes. In this forum, they count for little, even by the thousands. That includes my own. And, "plenty of us" does not cut it here. Plenty of folks think MP3, vinyl, tubes, Entreq, Bose, fancy cables, cable lifters, wall electrical outlet plates, etc. are the cat's meow. If you notice, my own perceptual opinions are provided, always with clear caveats by the way, only in cases where perceptual rather than measurable phenomena are being discussed. I can understand how that significant distinction might have gone unnoticed.
So, if you want to stand on your head to defend the Zelig/Clausen study, go ahead. But, since apparently so many people believe and since these formats have been around for so long with easy conversion from one to the other, surely there must be better evidence than "plenty of us who can hear these things". What have you got?
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No kidding. So, what have you got?
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General "Buck" Turgidson: We-he-ell, uh, I'd like to hold off judgement on a thing like that, sir, until all the facts are in.
President Merkin Muffley: General Turgidson! When you instituted the human reliability tests, you *assured* me there was *no* possibility of such a thing *ever* occurring!
President Merkin Muffley: General Turgidson! When you instituted the human reliability tests, you *assured* me there was *no* possibility of such a thing *ever* occurring!
He is taking the piss..
I have the belly of budda ... does that count?
When i rub it something else entirely diffrent happens...If you rub it in circles, does a Genie pop out of your belly button?
Or do you just pass gas?
Remember, To delusional subjectivists "everything matters"!
Nothing really matters...
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