What? That was literally three different tracks. I can go through all of Jean's reviews of multichannel releases, my recollection is not that the center channel is routinely poorly utiluzed.
Have it your own way. I'm not selling them, so I have no vested interest in convincing you.Based on the measurements of every other NHT speaker I've seen I personally wouldn't expect much. Certainly nothing on par with Revel. But who knows, maybe those are the exception?
Edit: Oh there are measurements for the 3.3, such as you get from Stereophile anyway:
NHT 3.3 loudspeaker Measurements | Stereophile.com
Sidebar 1: Measurements John Atkinson performed the measurements on the NHT 3.3, handing me the file only after I had finished my auditioning. Its B-weighted sensitivity measured approximately 87dB/W/m (B-weighted). Its impedance (fig.1) is quite uniform, both in magnitude and phase angle...www.stereophile.com
Not terrible, but not amazing either.
If you think three is a statistically valid sample, you should talk to @Oddball 's kid.
Like I said, my recollection is that these are quite representative. How many do you want me to put together? 10? 100?
Let's disagree in another thread.
Right, the older one seems to understand the concept theoretically, but then teenage age is really confusing for the young brains so it's a mixed bag.
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My bad. I misunderstood. I thought you meant the ultima 1.
Nice, thanks for that. Always great to have real data. Although your setup is actually a worse case scenario than most, I think. My setup, for example, is 9 feet away and the seating area is not that wide. And of course there's the fact that when you start getting well off-center like that you're also going to have the problem of being significantly closer to the L than the R speaker (or vice versa), which is likely a bigger problem than the small tonality shift from the center.For those debating the 2 way MTM center, I had the Revel Concerta C25 and later upgraded to the Performa C205. In my small home theater, which is 12' wide and with a listening position about 7' away from the center channel, I took center seat, left seat, and right seat measurements of the C25 and overlaid them. The thread is here:
How Bad are those MTM Center Speakers in Practice in Reality? Revel C25 Content Inside
As I read through the reviews of 2 way MTM center channel speakers and contemplate their dismal horizontal directivity in context with the application of the Revel C25 in my media room, I cannot help but wonder how much it matters and whether we are making too much of it. I love audio science...
They really aren't that bad in the real world of my room unless a max 3dB difference at 2KHz means the world to you.
One day I will get around to repeating the experiment with the C205 with and without DRC applied.
Yes, you got subwoofers in the integrated towers so that you could then add another sub or 2 to smooth out room modes and be able to have a higher level of less distorted bass.
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Was that V1 or V2? The larger woofer (scanspeak) of my V1s haven't had issues, just other tradeoffs. I'd love to hear the two side by side.
V2. It's not a complaint, I love those things. But one can only drive them so far...
If the Arcam Radia line is in fact the next iteration of the Revel Performa series as the referenced AVS Forum indicates, then Revel is following NHT's lead and also eliminating the larger drivers from their Performa line speakers.
I built a pair of DIY floor firing 12" ported woofers (FR 20 Hz-80 Hz) that are the same height (with the same 3.5 degree slope) as the original stands (and then put a thin pad on them and put my Dahlquist M-905's on top of them, keeping them more or less time aligned.Most of the previous solutions for "passive" towers were not drastic enough. Kind of half way, so yeah real subs where still required. Some have gone out of their way to create a true monsters, but then positioning is limited for these integrated solutions.
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Then there are active speakers with their active bass modules. Genelec, Kii, etc.
And then there are various ways to manage and EQ bass. So good luck finding your way through. I am happy with what I have at the moment, so no more experiments for follow for a while.
Announcement will be made at Axpona (April 12). The speakers will be available sometime in July. We just got Spinorama measurement data and they look very good. I can't post them until they ship.
