Is that right? Then why did you ask how I listen:
Sure looked like you prefer random sighted listening over someone relying on measurements.
Who said you should?
On this particular topic we don't have good objective measurements that predict audible distortion. That's sort of the whole issue.
my point is that you looked at graphs and you expected distortion, thus it's highly likely you would hear distortion. the same way people who expect planars to have fast bass magically have the fastest bass when they listen to it
amir's kinda actin like his biased takes matter lol
if it varies from person to person there's no easy predictor. One bloke could identify at -10 db the other could do it at -50. Sure there could be some average but that average thing has been talked about for ages, distortion isn't too big a deal for the most part for most people. Just cus some blokes listen at 114 db and can identify 0.1% distortion doesn't change the general truth.
So back to thinking if I don't look at a graph, I am telling the truth about the distortion? Maybe it is a horn speaker and i think they always sound distorted? Or a metal dome tweeter? Or maybe it has a massive but poorly designed woofer, and you thinking because it is large it must be playing clean?
I don't need the graphs at all for distortion audibility in bass. I have said a number of times that my assessment of distortion in bass is by ear. It is for tonality where I consider the measurements critical in assessing audibility through listening.
I always start my testing with select few female tracks as they quickly tell me if the speaker is too bright, lispy, etc. The first couple of tracks sounded fine but then I played the third standard track, the Eva Cassidy Ain't no Sunshine. Right at the marker something bad happened:
She takes a breath and starts singing. On Elac Uni-Fi I heard a rather loud squeak instead of that breath! I can't it to words but the artifact actually sounded louder than her voice which came on an instant after that.
A speaker that plays at 114 dBSPL with 0.1% is beyond state of the art. It doesn't exist in any consumer speaker you can buy.
now you're just making stuff up/ignoring exactly what i saidA speaker that plays at 114 dBSPL with 0.1% is beyond state of the art. It doesn't exist in any consumer speaker you can buy.
Once more, distortion in bass and many headphones is hugely above 0.1%. Here is Revel F328Be tower speaker at just 96 dBSPL:
Bass distortion peaks to 3%. Not 0.1%. And not at 114 dBSPL.
Here is another tower speaker, KEF F11:
Distortion is 2% at 50 Hz and shoots way up below that.
You play either speaker at 114 dBSPL, they will massively distort before likely blowing up the drivers. You think you need a blind test to detect that? If so, you are very ill informed.
Really, it is this type of shooting from the hip that resulted in audio objectivity loosing the battle to the other side before ASR. Folks like, with you personal experience, no knowledge of measurements, no controlled testing, no reading of literature, walked the halls and told people nothing is audible. You ruined the message for the rest of us seeing how you could be proven wrong so easily.
I have pleaded with you to watch just one video but you won't. Instead, keep adding noise here lecturing me in what I know, and not knowing a fraction of what you need to know.
The video is a technical presentation, full of coverage of research in controlled testing and data from the same. It will teach you how proper listening tests are performed. You know, the stuff you are bringing up which you don't understand.
Back to this nonsense again?
You are quite good at picking up lines that suit your agenda... Please try to read and comprehend whole messages
These your thoughts must be put in some context first, otherwise they are detached from the real world.
yeah, and not every headphone is the koss ksc75 and not every speaker is a tiny bookshelf. I was just saying that for the most part it's not an issue and you seem to agree when you said that any half decent iem or sumn can be blasted at ear deafening levels.
there isn't any and there is no NEED for it, just do a distortion test to find your own distortion identification threshold and then just base your purchase around that perhaps, that's it.
One can hear distortion in various situations like running sweeps that excite higher order harmonics in speakers themselves and speakers sitting on resonant surfaces. I'm quite certain that @amirm have heard such things when doing his tests in some speakers. I've certainly experienced that as well, which then has been confirmed by measurements. Point is that if it is audible with test signals, one cannot be sure that it is never audible with music (that has strong masking effect) since music signals are so variable.
yeah it's so clearly audible he always needs to see the data first before listening lol
But it falsifies that distortion is not an audible issue. Also the amount of headphones used also is not representative for all headphones around.
im not saying it's inaudible completely or that it can never be heard with anything, but that for the most part with any half decent product nowadays you get distortion that is not problematic for most people at least, ofc some people will hear more.
I don't know... the few times I was around some young folks with closed headphones on that I could clearly hear would be evidence at least a number of them do.
the subs are ok with it
