New production three way Big bookshelf speakers

[Salt]

DIY presents any answer to any question (almost) except any Tec of a Ton of tweeters accumulated on the front wall (that was patented ridiculously).

 

[thewas]

But fore example how can you identify when is too much?

This can be better seen in the PIR and SP curves, for example for the recently here reviewed Nubert where similarly too much energy between 3-7 kHz can be observed:

 

[Mnyb]

I saw them in person,they're not big at all,more like average tower speakers and not tall.
They do deliver though,their mid-bass is as it should be,something missing by a lot of speakers at their size.

Ive only seen the sourcepoint 10 irl it was , not small

 

[LearningToSmile]

With a 12" bass

Revial audio atalante 5 . No idea on performance.

ATALANTE 5 | Revival Audio

revivalaudio.fr

Caught my eye and I was able to find this on google image search, from a Stereoplay review.

 

[8bits]

Perhaps Geithain fits the bill, they have active and passive 3 way loudspeakers, some with 10" woofers and most of them kinda are bookshelf sized? Maybe I am stretching the term too thin (or tall?), the 10" woofer ones are 1m tall so....

musikelectronic geithain gmbh - Passive loudspeaker

 

[Euphonious]

Although listed as a floorstanding speaker, the KLH 5 may work.

KLH Model Five Floorstanding Speaker with Acoustic Suspension

The Model Five Floorstanding acoustic suspension speaker with its legendary performance, is one of finest and most sought-after speakers for audiophiles.

klhaudio.com

 

[restorer-john]

 

[JohnnyAudio]

Hey there!
My question is: are actually in the market any decent passive three way boxes, with woofer not smaller than 10", not tower shaped, with decent linearity and good directivity? Something like a JBL L112 but with none of the shortcomings?

I have a set of JBL Control 10's that always sound great.

 

[Talisman]

Alternatively, the Magnat Transpuls 1500, 38cm woofer, not really "off the shelf"....

 

[DBA ndreas]

Eltax MTR 1959

 

[VintageFlanker]

Alternatively, the Magnat Transpuls 1500, 38cm woofer, not really "off the shelf"....

And performing terribly:

 

[Talisman]

And performing terribly:
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Hell yes, I had never seen measurements of the Transpuls

 

[DanielT]

Hey there!
My question is: are actually in the market any decent passive three way boxes, with woofer not smaller than 10", not tower shaped, with decent linearity and good directivity? Something like a JBL L112 but with none of the shortcomings?

Have basic questions been addressed in the thread? Such as what you think about:
Price range?
Maximum size?
How do you intend to place the speakers?
In addition to decent linearity and good directivity, is there anything else you are looking for? Any particular type of look you like or dislike?

Can you exclude the amplifier in your choice of speakers? That is, IF you have a low powered tube amp, it will require speakers that are tube amp "impedance friendly" with high sensitivity. On the other hand, if you have, for example, a high powered Purifi/Hypex based amp that can handle low Ohms, the choice of speakers for it does not matter. Such an amp can handle any type of speaker and has enough power.
(unless we are talking about extreme requirements/needs)

Then I'm curious, why the combination large three-way and bookshelf? A big three-way absolute. Standing on the floor then with such a speaker with at least a hundred liter box then it starts to approach big. But large and bookshelf speakers sound contradictory, to say the least.

 

[Mosquito]

Have basic questions been addressed in the thread? Such as what you think about:
Price range?
Maximum size?
How do you intend to place the speakers?
In addition to decent linearity and good directivity, is there anything else you are looking for? Any particular type of look you like or dislike?

Can you exclude the amplifier in your choice of speakers? That is, IF you have a low powered tube amp, it will require speakers that are tube amp "impedance friendly" with high sensitivity. On the other hand, if you have, for example, a high powered Purifi/Hypex based amp that can handle low Ohms, the choice of speakers for it does not matter. Such an amp can handle any type of speaker and has enough power.
(unless we are talking about extreme requirements/needs)

Then I'm curious, why the combination large three-way and bookshelf? A big three-way absolute. Standing on the floor then with such a speaker with at least a hundred liter box then it starts to approach big. But large and bookshelf speakers sound contradictory, to say the least.

You're right, I intended stand mount rather than put a 100 liter box on a shelf. What I envisión is a 70/100 liter box, with classic woofer,midrange,tweeter lineup, 90+ dB sensitivity, AND tube friedly impedance

 

[Penelinfi]

I mean there is this, it isn't the worst; some off axis flare otherwise reasonable it seems. Above 200Hz anyway. You probably won't have such issues as a certain other speaker had below that lol

 

[DanielT]

You're right, I intended stand mount rather than put a 100 liter box on a shelf. What I envisión is a 70/100 liter box, with classic woofer,midrange,tweeter lineup, 90+ dB sensitivity, AND tube friedly impedance

Interesting. Then there will be a little more to go on. It gets more pin point when you say tube amp friendly 90+ dB sensitivity. The Wharfedale Lintons, mentioned in the thread, which are nice in their own right, you can immediately discount as they only have 85dB sensitivity.

Edit:
It is a challenge to find speakers that have/are 90+dB sensitivity (not just happy numbers from the manufacturer), tube amp friendly Impedance, decent linearity and good directivity. Also add reasonably low distortion and that... well let's say you then have to compromise, or be flexible with what you want if you weigh all those parameters. I can't think of a single commercial three-way bookshelf speaker that meets all of these criteria.

IF you have a low powered tube amp then do as many others have done. Add an active subwoofer along with LP-HP filter, and it will relieve your tube amp from struggling with the lowest frequencies.

Even better if you DIY a three-way speaker, let a class D amp take care of the bass drivers and your tube amp can then work with mids and tweeters.

 

[Fastnet]

You're right, I intended stand mount rather than put a 100 liter box on a shelf. What I envisión is a 70/100 liter box, with classic woofer,midrange,tweeter lineup, 90+ dB sensitivity, AND tube friedly impedance

Why stand mount rather than tower, since it'll take the same floorspace? Asking as I might be looking for something similar and am debating between the two so watching this thread.

 

[Mosquito]

Not a technical reason, just aestetic preference.

 

[Mosquito]

Interesting. Then there will be a little more to go on. It gets more pin point when you say tube amp friendly 90+ dB sensitivity. The Wharfedale Lintons, mentioned in the thread, which are nice in their own right, you can immediately discount as they only have 85dB sensitivity.

Edit:
It is a challenge to find speakers that have/are 90+dB sensitivity (not just happy numbers from the manufacturer), tube amp friendly Impedance, decent linearity and good directivity. Also add reasonably low distortion and that... well let's say you then have to compromise, or be flexible with what you want if you weigh all those parameters. I can't think of a single commercial three-way bookshelf speaker that meets all of these criter

 

[Mosquito]

Yes, I intend "friendly" for a 15 watt 6BQ5, the Linton does not fit, nor does the Dovedales with that unacceptable impedance behavior