New production three way Big bookshelf speakers

[Mosquito]

Hey there!
My question is: are actually in the market any decent passive three way boxes, with woofer not smaller than 10", not tower shaped, with decent linearity and good directivity? Something like a JBL L112 but with none of the shortcomings?

 

[Jim Taylor]

I can't think of any production modes that fit your description right now, although I can make a search later. This 3-way KIT, however, seems interesting, if you could tolerate a kit.

SB Acoustics Gema 3-Way Speaker Kit - Pair: Madisound Speaker Components, Inc.

Large 3-way speaker paying homage to the classic speaker of the 1970’s.

www.madisoundspeakerstore.com

Although the sales blurb doesn't tell you much, the manufacturer can be contacted here, and they may have more detailed information.

I'll see if I can dig up more later.

(Some units have no reliable information because there haven't been a good quality suite of tests applied to them. Others, like the Harbeth model 40, are (IMO) too expensive for what you get. Because you mentioned "bookshelf", I assume you are dead-set against floor-standing models ... correct?)

Jim

 

[Doenerkunde]

Wharfedale Dovedale might fit the bill. We have no NFS measurements of them yet, but their (not so little) little brothers (Wharfedale Linton) have been measured with very good results. But they are "Made in UK" so the price tag is rather hefty.

 

[Dj7675]

Hey there!
My question is: are actually in the market any decent passive three way boxes, with woofer not smaller than 10", not tower shaped, with decent linearity and good directivity? Something like a JBL L112 but with none of the shortcomings?

JBL L100 Classic
JBL LSR6332/LSR32 (used)

 

[Talisman]

Hey there!
My question is: are actually in the market any decent passive three way boxes, with woofer not smaller than 10", not tower shaped, with decent linearity and good directivity? Something like a JBL L112 but with none of the shortcomings?

The Wharfedale Lintons are the closest thing to your request, but with 8 instead of 10 woofers, they measure very well, have a classic look but modern performance

 

[ta240]

 

[staticV3]

JBL research in that area seems to have moved on to 2-way designs like the 4349.

All remaining 3-way bookshelves like the L100 Classic, 4312G/SE, and 4307 seem to be legacy designs.

 

[thewas]

Wharfedale Dovedale might fit the bill. We have no NFS measurements of them yet, but their (not so little) little brothers (Wharfedale Linton) have been measured with very good results.

As you say no NFS yet but some Stereophile measurements which also show a bit too much sound power between 3-6 kHz so a bit different sound compared to the Lintons.

Wharfedale Heritage Series 90th Anniversary Dovedale loudspeaker Measurements

Sidebar 3: Measurements I used DRA Labs' MLSSA system, a calibrated DPA 4006 microphone, and an Earthworks microphone preamplifier to measure the Wharfedale Dovedale's quasi-anechoic frequency- and time-domain responses in the farfield. I used an Earthworks QTC-40 mike for the nearfield and...

www.stereophile.com

 

[Hear Here]

Hey there!
My question is: are actually in the market any decent passive three way boxes, with woofer not smaller than 10", not tower shaped, with decent linearity and good directivity? Something like a JBL L112 but with none of the shortcomings?

You'll need pretty solid bookshelves to support the speakers you have in mind! Do you mean "stand-mount" rather than "bookshelf"?

OK, take a look at ATCs range of BBB speakers. The 50 has a 9" bass driver but larger speakers have 12" or 15" drivers. Not my cut of tea (I used to own ATC 50 Actives) but if you want BBB (big boring box) stand-mounts, perhaps look there.

 

[BrokenEnglishGuy]

As you say no NFS yet but some Stereophile measurements which also show a bit too much sound power between 3-6 kHz so a bit different sound compared to the Lintons.

Wharfedale Heritage Series 90th Anniversary Dovedale loudspeaker Measurements

Sidebar 3: Measurements I used DRA Labs' MLSSA system, a calibrated DPA 4006 microphone, and an Earthworks microphone preamplifier to measure the Wharfedale Dovedale's quasi-anechoic frequency- and time-domain responses in the farfield. I used an Earthworks QTC-40 mike for the nearfield and...

www.stereophile.com

You mean in the directivity? Is not that bad either, is very ok

Or are you talking about the FR?

''with a slight excess of energy between 4kHz and 7kHz.''

 

[thewas]

You mean in the directivity? Is not that bad either, is very ok

Or are you talking about the FR?

''with a slight excess of energy between 4kHz and 7kHz.''

As its listening window is quite flat

it is mainly the result from the directivity which gets a bit wider above 1 kHz and creates that excess of energy measured at the listening position.

 

[DanielT]

I think this one has what you're looking for plus some other nice things you get with this one.That is, good mid-bass punch and high sensitivity plus low distortion.

That if you can imagine building a KIT speaker AND then it's not a three-way speaker (if that in itself is an absolute requirement).

The frequency response of this speaker is nearly linear.

The decay spectrum is perfect.

At low volume, i.e. 85 dB at 1 m, the nonlinear distortions are below 0.6% above 300 Hz and doesn't exceed 0.7% at 95 dB at 1 m between 300 and 15000 Hz.

PowerCor Light

Shelf speaker,PowerCor Light,bass reflex,loudspeaker,DIY kit,Wavecor TW030WA11(wc-tw030wa11-01), SB Audience BIANCO-10MW200(sba-b-10MW200)

www.lautsprechershop.de

Regarding mid bass punch, the bass driver SB Audience Bianco-10MW200 10, which is the driver in the PowerCor Light kit, seems to be designed to deliver that. Thus, I had added a subwoofer together with that speaker, to bring out the lowest frequencies.

 

[BrokenEnglishGuy]

As its listening window is quite flat

it is mainly the result from the directivity which gets a bit wider above 1 kHz and creates that excess of energy measured at the listening position.

I see, but if it's get wider (get fun hehe) and most importantly is not a problem since in the listening position it's flat, kind of compensate itself as you pointed

I don't think this should be a problem in the listening session

 

[thewas]

I see, but if it's get wider (get fun hehe) and most importantly is not a problem since in the listening position it's flat, kind of compensate itself as you pointed

I don't think this should be a problem in the listening session

My experience is very different there, a LP sound power peak above 2 kHz can often sound harsh, ideally the response should be be dropping or at last be flat which also JA noticed and as always stated very diplomatically:

While the Dovedale's mid-treble could sound a little too forward with some recordings
...
the Dovedales have a little too much mid-treble energy
...
However, both the demanding impedance and the slight excess of presence-energy in the in-room balance will make amplifier choice critical in getting the best from this speaker.

 

[BrokenEnglishGuy]

My experience is very different there, a LP sound power peak above 2 kHz can often sound harsh, ideally the response should be be dropping or at last be flat which also JA noticed and as always stated very diplomatically:

While the Dovedale's mid-treble could sound a little too forward with some recordings
...
the Dovedales have a little too much mid-treble energy
...
However, both the demanding impedance and the slight excess of presence-energy in the in-room balance will make amplifier choice critical in getting the best from this speaker.

But fore example how can you identify when is too much?. For example this is the Concept 500, it's get wider at 7khz but in mesurements i don't see any extra energy, i have to say this speaker is very wide dispersion, if you look at erin measurements, Q acoustics tend to have wide dispersion up to 12khz even in their lower models, the concept 500 is just better with the curved cabinet

Here is very ok, but in reality sounds perfect

In reality, the speaker sound extremely natural (There is 0 hint of excessive energy in the entire highs expectrum, yet sound very open and detailed), open and honest with the reproduction, to me this speaker sounds extremely well, for example the cymbals sounds very correct to the rest of the sound, in my listening experience with Kefs, cymbals always sounds small vs the rest of the sound.... now with this speaker i hear all the sounds very cohesive and big
This is from Erin

 

[Mnyb]

Mofi source point 888 these are dual 8" for bass but its a big tower

 

[SMc]

BIC EV-15 Eviction Measurements

After many years, I finally took some fairly detailed measurements of the BIC EV-15, following @Dennis Murphy's measurements that showed them to be a bit of a trainwreck. Here’s my makeshift outdoor measurement rig: https://www.dropbox.com/s/oo5r2fcbhmfvyws/BIC-Measurement-Rig.jpeg?dl=0 I have...

www.audiosciencereview.com

Since the door to DIY has been opened…

 

[Mnyb]

With a 12" bass

Revial audio atalante 5 . No idea on performance.

ATALANTE 5 | Revival Audio

revivalaudio.fr

 

[Mosquito]

With a 12" bass

Revial audio atalante 5 . No idea on performance.

ATALANTE 5 | Revival Audio

revivalaudio.fr

They got the looks! Someone says "boring big boxes" for me boooring are these towers with multiple small woofers in vertical array that you can see by the dozen nowadays

 

[Sokel]

Mofi source point 888 these are dual 8" for bass but its a big tower

I saw them in person,they're not big at all,more like average tower speakers and not tall.
They do deliver though,their mid-bass is as it should be,something missing by a lot of speakers at their size.