New PMC speakers with 2" mid-dome

[Ciobi69]

Heard the version with the 6 inch drivers in a studio they sounded really good imo

 

[Ktacos]

Why not? Sound Align perfectly works for any use.

Was already explained to you by another user, deviations from neutrality translate to poor mix decisions. Top end boosted? you're gonna mix it too low. Low end not loud enough or full of nulls? You'll end up with too much bass. Basic ass stuff that's been covered endlessly. I'm offering no further replies on this one.

 

[tamtam]

Was already explained to you by another user, deviations from neutrality translate to poor mix decisions. Top end boosted? you're gonna mix it too low. Low end not loud enough or full of nulls? You'll end up with too much bass. Basic ass stuff that's been covered endlessly. I'm offering no further replies on this one.

You are either writing nonsense or being ignorant. No further replies are needed. Thank you.

 

[dfuller]

Heard the version with the 6 inch drivers in a studio they sounded really good imo

The two ways are not bad at all IMO.

 

[dfuller]

Not for mixing.

In fairness, sound align is just the onboard DSP EQ. It has a frankly massive range.

 

[Ktacos]

You are either writing nonsense or being ignorant. No further replies are needed. Thank you.

Ah, troll account, got it.

 

[tamtam]

Ah, troll account, got it.

You are. Accusing me of spreading misinformation, then talking nonsense. A bit of respect for the forum members wouldn’t hurt. If you’ve measured a boosted high-end, tame it with the onboard DSP, and you’ll return to a neutral sound. Basic stuff, as you say, which you unfortunately don’t understand.

 

[dfuller]

You are. Accusing me of spreading misinformation, then talking nonsense. A bit of respect for the forum members wouldn’t hurt. If you’ve measured a boosted high-end, tame it with the onboard DSP, and you’ll return to a neutral sound. Basic stuff, as you say, which you unfortunately don’t understand.

The issue with the boosted top end is that they advertise a flat frequency response... Which it definitely isn't. Almost every single one I've ever used (save for the PMC6, oddly enough!) have a severely up tilted top octave or two, among other things (a generally V-shaped response overall, usually a BBC dip in an attempt to even out the power response around the tweeter cross).

Unfortunately it isn't the only problem with most PMCs. The most severe problem is that the quarter wavelength TLs are as a whole generally very hard to deal with, especially in small cabinets (figure I mean smaller than MB3s, give or take). The midbass region ends up lumpy from cancellation dips and summation boosts.

The directivity on many (not all) models is also not particularly outstanding, though I will note that 1, a lot of the big boxes (MB3 and larger) are clearly at least attempting a dispersion match between mid and tweeter, and 2, directivity (to a degree) takes a back seat in studio control rooms as early reflections are generally quite heavily reduced.

 

[tamtam]

What you describe as a severe problem is also what sets PMC speakers apart from others. If you don’t need the advantages offered by ATL + Laminar technology or don’t like its effect on the sound, there are plenty of other options to consider. In the end, it depends on factors like local market pricing and available alternatives. In my region, PMCs are fairly priced compared to other options, and I purchased the PMC 6 and am extremely satisfied with it. It would be helpful if you mentioned which other monitors you're comparing it to.

 

[dfuller]

What you describe as a severe problem is also what sets PMC speakers apart from others. If you don’t need the advantages offered by ATL + Laminar technology or don’t like its effect on the sound, there are plenty of other options to consider. In the end, it depends on factors like local market pricing and available alternatives. In my region, PMCs are fairly priced compared to other options, and I purchased the PMC 6 and am extremely satisfied with it. It would be helpful if you mentioned which other monitors you're comparing it to.

The thing is the advantages only set in with large boxes - and to be sure, they do set in there as they're much less prone to port chuffing at higher SPLs.

As far as comparisons to the 6s...

I've owned* or used the following:

- Neumann KH150, KH310*, KH420* (currently own 420s)
- Focal Solo6 Be, Shape 65, Trio6 Be
- Barefoot FP01*, MM27
- ATC SCM25A, SCM150ASL, SCM110ASL, SCM200ASL
- Genelec 8030, 8040, 8050, 8331, 8361
- PMC 6, 6-2, 8-2, MB3A XBD

 

[Ktacos]

You are. Accusing me of spreading misinformation, then talking nonsense. A bit of respect for the forum members wouldn’t hurt. If you’ve measured a boosted high-end, tame it with the onboard DSP, and you’ll return to a neutral sound. Basic stuff, as you say, which you unfortunately don’t understand.

No thanks I'll stick to buying competent speakers that already have properly tuned top end. Not really just me accusing, lots of people agree with me here, because my comments are based in science. I have no idea why users feel the need to come here tossing out their old dated opinions thinking they'll get anything but push back from those with more experience.

Lets hear your mixes, how bout that? I'll happily share mine.

 

[tamtam]

The thing is the advantages only set in with large boxes - and to be sure, they do set in there as they're much less prone to port chuffing at higher SPLs.

As far as comparisons to the 6s...

I've owned* or used the following:

- Neumann KH150, KH310*, KH420* (currently own 420s)
- Focal Solo6 Be, Shape 65, Trio6 Be
- Barefoot FP01*, MM27
- ATC SCM25A, SCM150ASL, SCM110ASL, SCM200ASL
- Genelec 8030, 8040, 8050, 8331, 8361
- PMC 6, 6-2, 8-2, MB3A XBD

You mentioned that the 6s are not bad. I’m curious how you would rate them in terms of sound compared to other near-field monitors.

 

[Valeo]

Is PMC result 6 better than genelec 80XX? Is it true that they are fast, excellent stereo, better audible compressor, equalizer, reverb tails?Your observations are very interesting.

 

[dfuller]

Is PMC result 6 better than genelec 80XX?

No.

Is it true that they are fast, excellent stereo, better audible compressor, equalizer, reverb tails

Not in my experience.

 

[Valeo]

That is, there is no point in changing 8040 to PMC result 6? Will there be no qualitative increase in sound and performance ?

 

[dfuller]

That is, there is no point in changing 8040 to PMC result 6? Will there be no qualitative increase in sound and performance ?

If anything there will be a downgrade.

 

[Valeo]

There are so many topics about genelec monitors. I don't want to repeat myself, maybe there is an answer on the forum somewhere, but I will write here. I think the answer to this question will help many people. I would like to know more about the opinion of sound engineers who work for genelek. Is there any big difference in sound between genelec 8040b and 8340? Do they sound identical if you don't use dsp in 8340? I believe the dsp allows you to calibrate the 83XX line with subwoofers into surround sound systems. But if the dsp is not needed, then sonarworks Id or another program is simply required to calibrate the 8040. Do I understand correctly that it makes no sense to overpay for the capabilities of the SAM version to work with no more than two monitors?... The 8340 amplifiers are more powerful, 0.5 db more accurate and 3 Hertz lower than the 8040, is there a difference in sound for rooms of 16-19 square meters?

 

[Valeo]

It is a pity that there are no measurements of 8040 and 8340 yet.Hopefully, someone will send their monitors to Amir. I express my gratitude to the head and all the participants of the forum!

 

[tamtam]

There are so many topics about genelec monitors. I don't want to repeat myself, maybe there is an answer on the forum somewhere, but I will write here. I think the answer to this question will help many people. I would like to know more about the opinion of sound engineers who work for genelek. Is there any big difference in sound between genelec 8040b and 8340? Do they sound identical if you don't use dsp in 8340? I believe the dsp allows you to calibrate the 83XX line with subwoofers into surround sound systems. But if the dsp is not needed, then sonarworks Id or another program is simply required to calibrate the 8040. Do I understand correctly that it makes no sense to overpay for the capabilities of the SAM version to work with no more than two monitors?... The 8340 amplifiers are more powerful, 0.5 db more accurate and 3 Hertz lower than the 8040, is there a difference in sound for rooms of 16-19 square meters?

You are comparing apples to oranges, these speakers are too different from each other.
I'm sure there are some would prefer analog design, others the digital.
Different crossovers, different amps.
The enclosure is similar and drivers, but not the same.
They definitely would not sound the same, can say this without listening to them.

 

[tamtam]

That is, there is no point in changing 8040 to PMC result 6? Will there be no qualitative increase in sound and performance ?

They are from the same price range, this cannot be considered as an upgrade.
Double the budget for an upgrade.