New Neumann stuff announcing Friday 9/12

[boxerfan88]

Yeap, looks like just subs.

This just dropped…

 

[Heinrich]

What the Newman's are missing is a small-ish three-way

Yeap, looks like just subs.

This just dropped… [some media, Heinrich]

The media is sheer advertising, no relevant info, not to ask for 'scientific' or engineering criticism. I like the industrial design, looks sturdy, still human, an elegant solution for some. But what else? The background 'music' is a challenge, though. As if real engineers wouldn't appreciate silence once in a while ...

 

[aschen]

Dangit I was hoping for something more exciting. Their sub line was overdo for modernizing so good for them, just a bit of a snoozer for me.

two woofer model looks pretty slick on video, studio subs are too rich for me though

 

[mj30250]

Well, at least we know the new models can't be too far off as they are listed in the recent firmware update. A desktop friendly 3-way would be quite nice.

 

[boxerfan88]

What the Newman's are missing is a small-ish three-way

That's why the KH350 is intriguing...

The media is sheer advertising, no relevant info, not to ask for 'scientific' or engineering criticism. I like the industrial design, looks sturdy, still human, an elegant solution for some. But what else? The background 'music' is a challenge, though. As if real engineers wouldn't appreciate silence once in a while ...

Yeap ... with a cover title spelling mistake "EPSIODE 1"

 

[Henryk]

What - do you figure - is the best estimate for when we can see a new 3-way speaker show up?
This reveal was kind of a bummer...

 

[kharan]

Also, I'll believe it when I see it. Neumann could still stagger the release of their range.

I was hoping to be proven wrong.

 

[Tovarich007]

I wrote several times in this thread or other threads about Neumann that I was skeptical about imminent launch of new monitors.
My guess is : Neumann employees have given deliberately fake news to forum members about supposed soon to be released monitors and so have prepared the surprise launch of this new series of subs.

That's good marketing and it has also fooled the competitors ! (we all know that companies try to be aware of the short or middle term projects of their competitors)
The prioritary launch of DSP/MA1 subs makes sense : for pros, DSP subs allowing full range EQ and room correction software are becoming more and more necessary in multichannels and immersive applications.

A contrario, the range of Neumann monitors is yet complete and of very high quality ; of course the KH310 and the KH420 are not equipped with DSP and MA-1, but it's not a real problem if they're connected to one of the brand's DSP subwoofer. So I'm not sure pro studios need new monitor models, but many of them surely needed new DSP subs.

Neumann isn't an audiophile company. Like Genelec, this brand releases models that pros actually need, and not what audiophiles or amateur techphiles are dreaming of (on forums like this one !)

Maybe i'm wrong, we'll see, but I won't be surprised if no new monitor model is announced in a very next future.

 

[nbot]

Maybe i'm wrong, we'll see, but I won't be surprised if no new monitor model is announced in a very next future.

They have new firmware for the new models and I think it's very unlikely they faked it too

 

[boxerfan88]

When is the next big “Pro” show? That’s the next release/launch opportunity I suppose.

Or some special company anniversary date… hmm.

 

[Behrelec 37]

Did you notice?The Neumann presenter didn't say anything about the amplifiers' power or dB levels in the video, and how low frequencies they actually reproduce. The whole presentation was a typical marketing gimmick that didn't really give anything, so in practice, nothing at all for you either.

Genelec, on the other hand, is much more advanced than this competitor, and tells much more about the capabilities of their subwoofers. Genelec is a true professional studio brand.Neuman is a very light feather series compared to Genelec's heavy audio expertise, from smaller monitor series to massive in-wall speakers.

There are countless models for different purposes. and even chain up to over a hundred speakers to a multi-channel, from any series and it always works.Unfortunately, many readers don't really know how to distinguish a feather series from a heavier series. For many, a feather series is the hard bone, even though it is actually quite light quality expertise.

 

[badboygolf16v]

What rubbish. Neumann make superb monitors, backed up with honest specifications. They don't lead with software compared to Genelec, but what they supply is more than adequate and continues to improve. I'm a current Genelec owner, previously a Neumann owner. I would be more than happy to own Neumann monitors.

 

[Behrelec 37]

badboygolf16c.

Neuman certainly makes a quality speaker series. I certainly don't deny that, but the entire product range they have is quite thin in terms of quantity. Larger speaker ranges are completely lacking, that's really unacceptable for a studio business.

So what genelec model speakers did you have?
You didn't tell me, so I won't start speculating.

 

[dfuller]

God, can we have one thread anywhere without Genelec fanboys?

 

[Curvature]

Just using this one example, the KH870 II uses different tuning and DSP controlled FR. Perhaps there were also driver modifications that allowed the tradeoff in max SPL that we see. Regardless, the main point of value for these new subs is the DSP integration.

Edit: I should have labelled the max SPL plot more clearly. I used the 3% THD traces for extraction.

 

[respice finem]

Neumann indeed lacks "giant" farfielders which Genelec has, but there is no law known by me mandating it.
They cater to their market, and doing so, they are very conservative. Similarly, you can have your Neumann in any colour you like, as long as it's "mouse grey" or (sometimes) white. Business choices, not less, not more, IMHO. In fact I was long undecided between Genelec and Neumann before buying what I've bought. I don't regret it, but I don't think it would make a real difference if I had decided the other way. It's like with the "upper" Mercedes vs. BMW, or Lexus, same class, different "philosophy". One is not really better or worse than the other, just different, and each will have its loyal customer base.

 

[Curvature]

Neumann indeed lacks "giant" farfielders which Genelec has, but there is no law known by me mandating it.
They cater to their market, and doing so, they are very conservative. Similarly, you can have your Neumann in any colour you like, as long as it's "mouse grey" or (sometimes) white. Business choices, not less, not more, IMHO. In fact I was long undecided between Genelec and Neumann before buying what I've bought. I don't regret it, but I don't think it would make a real difference if I decided the other way. It's like the "upper" Mercedes vs. BMW, or Lexus, same class, different "philosophy". One is not really better or worse than the other, just different, and each will have its loyal customer base.

Neumann is a subsidiary of a larger company while Genelec is wholly internally owned. Neumann faces more financial pressure and cannot take risks given their product strategy. I doubt very much their sales are significant compared to the consumer mass market products of Sennheiser.

 

[respice finem]

IDK for sure about that, is not my worry either, I'm just a user.
Their "heritage" is Klein+Hummel, and they were so conservative back then too, before the financial woes.
But yes, maybe too conservative, like some other German companies - how long have we seen the Beyer peak, for instance?
Beyerdynamic also ended up being sold...

 

[kharan]

Maybe Genelec should have a microphone range.

 

[Behrelec 37]

To be honest, Neuman has kind of been riding on the wings of another company's products, and has achieved a reasonably good position in pro audio. Still, they are a fairly lightweight company (very thin wings with their product portfolio) compared to a versatile Nordic company whose name is a terrible, terrible name for many, a terrible curse, or an immense blessing of love when it comes to implementing diverse challenges.