New Neumann stuff announcing Friday 9/12

[dfuller]

Neumann has posted on their social media that "something big is coming".


But, we know thanks to @mcanicos diving in the MA-1 update that it is the following stuff:

- KH 310 II
- KH 810 II and 870 II
- KH350

So, is it time for some wild speculation? I think it is.

I suspect the KH310 II is going to have much more headroom - it's possible it's going to be a ported model this time, but we'll wait and see. Previous rumors were that it would be reflex instead of sealed box.

The 810 II and 870 II are updated subs with DSP.

The KH350, I have no idea what that could be. Vertical 8" 3 way? 10" 2-way mini-main a la the S360? Who knows!

 

[DJBonoBobo]

KH 805 II, too (https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...-monitor-alignment.17902/page-75#post-2392155). This is a stereo version of the multichannel 810, and it seems there will be no AES67 version.

KH 350: I bet it will be a vertical version of the 310 II, but with more bass because of a bigger box (needed for vertical orientation), better directivity than 310 II (because of vertical orientation) and probably more expensive. Anything other than a new gold standard for classic (non-coaxial) 3-way loudspeakers would be a disappointment.

 

[respice finem]

My "prophecy" - it will be something expensive, but nothing bad

 

[DJBonoBobo]

Neumann has posted on their social media that "something big is coming

The video probably shows a subwoofer detail. I hope they release the whole new bunch and not only the 870 II, which is already visible on their german website.

 

[Grotti]

Very interesting news!!! I contacted Neumann a few month ago and got a hint between the lines, that something would happen. But not when or what exactly: thank you very much for this thread (could not open the link btw: not everyone does support Instagram with a membership ;o)).

 

[badboygolf16v]

The KH 805 was fantastic, I was sad to have to sell it when I started using MA 1.

 

[mj30250]

If the KH 350 turns out to be a vertically arrayed 310 II my bank account and desk real estate are probably both going to be upset.

 

[respice finem]

If the KH 350 turns out to be a vertically arrayed 310 II my bank account and desk real estate are probably both going to be upset.

It's possible to have the existing KH 310A in a desk setup, without sacrificing desk space - using these behind the desk:

K&M 26754

K&M 26754, Monitorstativ, Farbe: schwarz, mit neigbarer Aufnahmeplatte (von 0° bis 12,5°), Aufnahmeplatte: 257 x 230 mm, zusätzliche Anschlagleiste, max. Belastbarkeit: 35 kg, stufenweise Höhenverstellung, Aufstellmaß (Durchmesser): 600 mm, Höhe:...

www.thomann.de

As a bonus, much less vibrations of the desk.
Limitation: about 28" will be the maximum size for a PC monitor, except for "XXXL" sized desks.

 

[mj30250]

It's possible to have the existing KH 310A in a desk setup, without sacrificing desk space - using these behind the desk:

K&M 26754

K&M 26754, Monitorstativ, Farbe: schwarz, mit neigbarer Aufnahmeplatte (von 0° bis 12,5°), Aufnahmeplatte: 257 x 230 mm, zusätzliche Anschlagleiste, max. Belastbarkeit: 35 kg, stufenweise Höhenverstellung, Aufstellmaß (Durchmesser): 600 mm, Höhe:...

www.thomann.de

As a bonus, much less vibrations of the desk.

Unfortunately that's not really feasible in my space, the speakers need to be on top of the desk. I have KH 150s on iso stands and there's no noticeable issues with vibrations.

 

[Sokel]

"Big" ?

Some mains monitors at last?

 

[Karmacoma]

Hmmm, what really lacks in their lineup now, for that kind of premium performance brand, is some sort of cardioid monitor or a W371-like directivity control woofer system.
To the point I find it actually weird.

 

[thunderchicken]

Hmmm, what really lacks in their lineup now, for that kind of premium performance brand, is some sort of cardioid monitor or a W371-like directivity control woofer system.
To the point I find it actually weird.

I don’t know of any competition to the W371A on the market. I think Kii Audio’s BXT gets close, but system latency kills it for HT use.

Neumann isn’t necessarily a “budget” option, but it is highly likely that such a system would come it at half or less the cost of The Ones’ $30k with W371A.

 

[Purité Audio]

Kii and Dutch@Dutch both have a low latency option.
Keith

 

[dfuller]

The video probably shows a subwoofer detail. I hope they release the whole new bunch and not only the 870 II, which is already visible on their german website.

I doubt it will be just that. Though, this is rad for us 420 owners.

 

[Salt]

The question is, where it will be Klippel'ed?

 

[DJBonoBobo]

I doubt it will be just that. Though, this is rad for us 420 owners.

I wonder if the 810II/870II will be able to control a whole surround set of 7 analog monitors with DSP/MA1, like the 750 did with 2 channels.

 

[Karmacoma]

What's certain is whatever is gonna be presented, the processing power will be way up.

 

[kharan]

A cardioid Neumann monitor would be extremely cool, but I don't see it happening any time soon or it will be a KH 420 successor.

But I'm hoping for several improvements upon the KH 310 series.

First, an effort to increase directivity control down into the low mids. There are multiple ways to achieve that, including waveguiding the mid driver and using a large woofer. They've done it with the KH 420.

Second, I think the domed midrange is pretty good, but it can be refined further. ATC manages to keep the crossover point lower at 380 Hz, whereas Neumann crosses high at 570 Hz, surely with more than a decade of driver improvements, Neumann can offer a wider range, and that opens the woofer to higher excursion without IMD too.

In third, I'll put everything I'm also sure Neumann will offer. An minor increase in bass SPL handling for the KH310II, somewhat lower IMD and HD all across the frequency range. Linear phase. DSP crossover and MA1 correction.

One big unknown is how Neumann will handle the KH 310 II's bass. I don't think more power and driver progress will be give them the improvemnt they are looking for. So they can either increase the volume of the speaker, or combine it with a passive radiator to increase SPL handling without increasing volume as much as with bass reflex construction.

Also, I'll believe it when I see it. Neumann could still stagger the release of their range.

 

[respice finem]

If Neumann would make the speaker bigger, they would "cannibalize" their KH 420 so I doubt they would do it.
But they might give it the option of vertical/horizontal orientation of the 420.
And digital-in + DSP.
And a white option for WAF.

 

[kharan]

If Neumann would make the speaker bigger, they would "cannibalize" their KH 420 so I doubt they would do it.
But they might give it the option of vertical/horizontal orientation of the 420.
And digital-in + DSP.
And a white option for WAF.

There's a fair bit of room to play with in the range.

KH 150: 20 L
KH 310a: 28 L
KH 420: 93 L

Neumann could easily make a KH 310 II around 35L and still have room for a KH 350 around 45/50 L.