New Neumann MA 1 - Automatic Monitor Alignment

[zalcf]

Does anyone know if it's possible to use the analog inputs for room calibration and then play the calibrated sound using the digital inputs? In my MA1 software settings, I set the speaker input to automatic, but no sound plays. Setting it to analog works, and then I can hear it.
Do I have to use the digital inputs for room calibration in order to play the calibrated sound using the digital inputs?
My speakers are KH120IIs.

 

[solawind]

Does anyone know if it's possible to use the analog inputs for room calibration and then play the calibrated sound using the digital inputs?

yes, calibration curve works for both inputs, analog inputs on neumanns are just digitized internally

 

[zalcf]

yes, calibration curve works for both inputs, analog inputs on neumanns are just digitized internally

However, when the setting is set to automatic, the software complains about a low input level during measurement. Switching to analog mode allows normal measurement.It seems the software's automatic setting isn't recognizing analog signals.
Because of this, the sound after calibration can only be played back using analog input, but I want to use digital input.
I can't even edit the input settings after measurement (though the measurement data can be edited).I'm not sure how to fix this either.

 

[DJBonoBobo]

However, when the setting is set to automatic, the software complains about a low input level during measurement. Switching to analog mode allows normal measurement.It seems the software's automatic setting isn't recognizing analog signals.
Because of this, the sound after calibration can only be played back using analog input, but I want to use digital input.
I can't even edit the input settings after measurement (though the measurement data can be edited).I'm not sure how to fix this either.

I suggest trying to fix the low input level problem first. It should work with automatic and digital inputs. May you could show your settings step by step, or it has to do with your interface's settings.

 

[zalcf]

I suggest trying to fix the low input level problem first. It should work with automatic and digital inputs. May you could show your settings step by step, or it has to do with your interface's settings.

The recording interface is Topping E1X2OTG.
The KH120II back panel settings are Network and Analog.

In MA1 software, when the speaker input is set to Auto and I play a test sound, the Topping software detects the signal (output playback1/2), but I can't hear it. Even with the gain knob turned up to maximum, the system still says the signal level is too low to start the measurement.

However, in MA1 software, when the speaker input is set to Analog, I can complete the measurement, but the input setting cannot be changed.
I'm curious if anyone has encountered the same problem.

 

[HQY]

Help!
I upgraded ma1 and the firmware of kh750 was upgraded as well. However, after upgrade, one 750 falls to standby in about 19 minutes rather than default 90 minutes. I tried reset the 750 but the problem is still there. I also tried the neumann.control but did not work out. Can anyone advise how to fix it? Thank you.
I contacted neumann and got a case number but no further advice.

 

[Ktacos]

Help!
I upgraded ma1 and the firmware of kh750 was upgraded as well. However, after upgrade, one 750 falls to standby in about 19 minutes rather than default 90 minutes. I tried reset the 750 but the problem is still there. I also tried the neumann.control but did not work out. Can anyone advise how to fix it? Thank you.
I contacted neumann and got a case number but no further advice.

My solution on some KH80 and other neumann standby issues, but pretty much any other stand by feature I've used on a speaker honestly, is to just turn it off.

 

[HQY]

My solution on some KH80 and other neumann standby issues, but pretty much any other stand by feature I've used on a speaker honestly, is to just turn it off.

Thank you.

 

[solawind]

Does anyone know what these 'advanced measurement features' in the latest MA1 version?

 

[Chimiel]

Does anyone has experience with setting up different / multiple listening positions in the MA-1 software ? I was told by Neumann tech support this was possible, like in Dirac, which has the possibility for focused and wide listening positions.
But as far as I can find out, the listening position for MA-1 is pretty much focused, for studio use, and the distance from listening position to right speaker should be the distance to the left speaker, preferably an equilateral triangle.
Anyone ever tried Dirac on top of a configured MA-1 system for different listening positions ?

 

[solawind]

Does anyone has experience with setting up different / multiple listening positions in the MA-1 software ? I was told by Neumann tech support this was possible

You can create multiple alignments for different monitors/listener positions and switch between them in the MA1 software. This, I believe, is what they meant is possible. Any other way of doing this like 'averaging all positions' if dirac software works like that, will give you suboptimal results

 

[Chimiel]

You can create multiple alignments for different monitors/listener positions and switch between them in the MA1 software. This, I believe, is what they meant is possible. Any other way of doing this like 'averaging all positions' if dirac software works like that, will give you suboptimal results

Hi, do you have any info on this ? I've read the manual https://ma1.neumann.com/manual , but only read about configuring a equilateral listening position, a focused studio set up, pretty limited for use in a living room for instance (for which Dirac has the option of a wide listening position)

 

[ENEN]

Does anyone know what these 'advanced measurement features' in the latest MA1 version?

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After the MA-1 software update over the past couple of days, a short description for this feature now appears under it:

 

[DJBonoBobo]

After the MA-1 software update over the past couple of days,

This is the changelog of 2.9.7, BTW.

 

[DJBonoBobo]

Hi, do you have any info on this ? I've read the manual https://ma1.neumann.com/manual , but only read about configuring a equilateral listening position, a focused studio set up, pretty limited for use in a living room for instance (for which Dirac has the option of a wide listening position)

You can just enter the distance from speakers to LP and you can also use a wider area for the measurement points. If it says, you should take the left measurement 36cm apart from center, you could just place the mic 1m apart, for example, for including a wider area.
You have to try for yourself, if this works.
I tried using the MA1 in a living room/sofa-situation once and did not get a satisfying result (i ended up just dialing in 2 or 3 filters for the main room modes with a different DSP and let everything else as it was). BTW i also own a Dirac license but did not use it as well.

 

[solawind]

After the MA-1 software update over the past couple of days, a short description for this feature now appears under it:

Interesting to see if it makes any difference in calibration vs the old one

 

[solawind]

. If it says, you should take the left measurement 36cm apart from center, you could just place the mic 1m apart, for example, for including a wider area.

neumann software not only corrects frequency response but also phase delay, so i am skeptical about achieving good results with incorrect inputs. i have tried to experiment with their "delay" parameter and it sounds really off sometimes.

Probably just using manual calibration with REW and not using neumann software at all would be better. Just take few measurements in listening area and then compare them in REW to figure out correction curve

 

[muchacho]

In an acoustically modified listening room in the basement of approx. 12m², I have a set of 2*KH150 + 1*KH750, aligned to great satisfaction with the MA1 system. In the living room for regular listening, I have a WiiM Pro Plus streamer connected to the HiFi as an analog sound source, which also has its own RoomFit room alignment system and after separate alignment, their system, as the last step before saving the curve, performs a control measurement, so what the resulting alignment curve actually looks like. As I wrote above, I am satisfied with the alignment of the listening room via the MA1, but I would certainly welcome a final control measurement in the MA1 of the actual correction status after the correction itself and not just a display of the expected resulting curve.

 

[Chimiel]

In an acoustically modified listening room in the basement of approx. 12m², I have a set of 2*KH150 + 1*KH750, aligned to great satisfaction with the MA1 system. In the living room for regular listening, I have a WiiM Pro Plus streamer connected to the HiFi as an analog sound source, which also has its own RoomFit room alignment system and after separate alignment, their system, as the last step before saving the curve, performs a control measurement, so what the resulting alignment curve actually looks like. As I wrote above, I am satisfied with the alignment of the listening room via the MA1, but I would certainly welcome a final control measurement in the MA1 of the actual correction status after the correction itself and not just a display of the expected resulting curve.

A free trial license of Dirac suite, for Mac or PC for a final measurement ?

 

[muchacho]

Yes, that's also an option, but if the control measurement was part of the MA1, it would be possible to adjust the room at once and make any necessary adjustments immediately, and most importantly, it would be measured including timing and phasing with the subwoofer.