New Neumann KH 310 II and KH 350 Rumors: Leaked Pricing & Info

[Curvature]

The S360's max SPL is ridiculously high, even when not bass managed, for its size. 106dB/1m anechoic is unbelievably loud (figure a pair in room will probably be closer to 115dB or so) and I'm not sure this will get there - Neumann seems to prefer doing more bass extension over more SPL.

Very high efficiency drivers in the Genelec box. I expect you're right in the end, but these KH350s have been in development for a long time now (and the S360 was released in 2018) so they will likely get close.

 

[gparaskevas]

Do we have an ETA on the kh310 ii?

 

[kharan]

Do we have an ETA on the kh310 ii?

People have received some emails hinting at early september.

 

[sm5]

The KH310II and KH350 are included in the new Dolby DARDT tool which is useful even for home setups to figure out what sort of speakers will be suitable for your room and proper placement.

310II is 118 dB and 123 dB Bass Managed
350 is 120 dB and 124 dB Bass Managed
KH420 is 117 dB and 122 dB Bass Managed - so the new 310II is higher!

Though, note the KH120ii/150 Bass Managed numbers:
120ii Bass Managed is 119 dB
150ii Bass Managed is 120 dB

So at these suggested prices it's perhaps a smarter idea to look into one or two KH750's and a pair of KH120ii's or 150's which are roughly the same Dolby DARDT SPL volumes as the KH350's alone and will likely go lower in frequency response anyways as the KH750's go below 20hz.

One thing I would be hesitant about at least in a studio setting is the lack of metal grills. The KH750/120ii's and 150's metal grills are really useful.

As careful as someone can be in a recording studio, you never know if a flying drumstick or someone walking around with a mic stand or even swiveling in a chair with a bass guitar is going to hit your speaker. I remember taking the KH310's out of the box and it was quite difficult to not accidentally hit the midrange as it sticks out so far and is unprotected. I forgot to mention kids/pets: I've had someone bring over their child and within 5 minutes they managed to knock over a heavy/sturdy floor standing speaker into a wall and damage it.

The old KH310's and 420's do have optional grills which is nice, but they aren't cheap and not as nice looking as the KH120ii/150/750 grills. I would hope there are optional grills for the 310/350 also at least for the people who may want them.

 

[jhaider]

The KH310II and KH350 are included in the new Dolby DARDT tool which is useful even for home setups to figure out what sort of speakers will be suitable for your room and proper placement.

That’s interesting, and many thanks for pointing out that tool! Still, I’m not sure what to make of the numbers. I plugged in KH 80 and got just 1dB less than KH 120 II (80Hz BM) and the same value no BM— based on experience with both that can’t be right. KH 120 A is ranked 3 dB behind KH 80!

Also with no BM KH 150 appears less capable than JBL’s 705P (114 dB vs 116 dB), and KH 120 II just 1dB behind KH 150 (113 dB). 705P is a monster for its size but Sound und Recording’s max SPL measurements had 705P and KH 120 II similar, and KH 150 better than both.

One thing I would be hesitant about at least in a studio setting is the lack of metal grills. The KH750/120ii's and 150's metal grills are really useful.

Yes! It’s a pity that every speaker doesn’t ape Neumann’s 80/120/150 grille design. Looks great and functions well.

 

[viktorapo]

Do we have an ETA on the kh310 ii?

the premiere is def set for 4th

The KH310II and KH350 are included in the new Dolby DARDT tool which is useful even for home setups to figure out what sort of speakers will be suitable for your room and proper placement.

310II is 118 dB and 123 dB Bass Managed
350 is 120 dB and 124 dB Bass Managed
KH420 is 117 dB and 122 dB Bass Managed - so the new 310II is higher!

Though, note the KH120ii/150 Bass Managed numbers:
120ii Bass Managed is 119 dB
150ii Bass Managed is 120 dB

So at these suggested prices it's perhaps a smarter idea to look into one or two KH750's and a pair of KH120ii's or 150's which are roughly the same Dolby DARDT SPL volumes as the KH350's alone and will likely go lower in frequency response anyways as the KH750's go below 20hz.

One thing I would be hesitant about at least in a studio setting is the lack of metal grills. The KH750/120ii's and 150's metal grills are really useful.

As careful as someone can be in a recording studio, you never know if a flying drumstick or someone walking around with a mic stand or even swiveling in a chair with a bass guitar is going to hit your speaker. I remember taking the KH310's out of the box and it was quite difficult to not accidentally hit the midrange as it sticks out so far and is unprotected. I forgot to mention kids/pets: I've had someone bring over their child and within 5 minutes they managed to knock over a heavy/sturdy floor standing speaker into a wall and damage it.

The old KH310's and 420's do have optional grills which is nice, but they aren't cheap and not as nice looking as the KH120ii/150/750 grills. I would hope there are optional grills for the 310/350 also at least for the people who may want them.

the size for the kh310 mk2 would be identical so i assume the metal grills would fit.

 

[iconoclast]

These prices... did they put DRAM in them or something?

I say that as someone who owns 3 Genelec setups.

 

[Curvature]

That’s interesting, and many thanks for pointing out that tool! Still, I’m not sure what to make of the numbers. I plugged in KH 80 and got just 1dB less than KH 120 II (80Hz BM) and the same value no BM— based on experience with both that can’t be right. KH 120 A is ranked 3 dB behind KH 80!

Also with no BM KH 150 appears less capable than JBL’s 705P (114 dB vs 116 dB), and KH 120 II just 1dB behind KH 150 (113 dB). 705P is a monster for its size but Sound und Recording’s max SPL measurements had 705P and KH 120 II similar, and KH 150 better than both.


Yes! It’s a pity that every speaker doesn’t ape Neumann’s 80/120/150 grille design. Looks great and functions well.

Yes, for reference: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/how-loud-genelec-vs-neumann.47820/

 

[kharan]

The KH310II and KH350 are included in the new Dolby DARDT tool which is useful even for home setups to figure out what sort of speakers will be suitable for your room and proper placement.

310II is 118 dB and 123 dB Bass Managed
350 is 120 dB and 124 dB Bass Managed
KH420 is 117 dB and 122 dB Bass Managed - so the new 310II is higher!

Though, note the KH120ii/150 Bass Managed numbers:
120ii Bass Managed is 119 dB
150ii Bass Managed is 120 dB

So at these suggested prices it's perhaps a smarter idea to look into one or two KH750's and a pair of KH120ii's or 150's which are roughly the same Dolby DARDT SPL volumes as the KH350's alone and will likely go lower in frequency response anyways as the KH750's go below 20hz.

One thing I would be hesitant about at least in a studio setting is the lack of metal grills. The KH750/120ii's and 150's metal grills are really useful.

As careful as someone can be in a recording studio, you never know if a flying drumstick or someone walking around with a mic stand or even swiveling in a chair with a bass guitar is going to hit your speaker. I remember taking the KH310's out of the box and it was quite difficult to not accidentally hit the midrange as it sticks out so far and is unprotected. I forgot to mention kids/pets: I've had someone bring over their child and within 5 minutes they managed to knock over a heavy/sturdy floor standing speaker into a wall and damage it.

The old KH310's and 420's do have optional grills which is nice, but they aren't cheap and not as nice looking as the KH120ii/150/750 grills. I would hope there are optional grills for the 310/350 also at least for the people who may want them.

No way it's has more output that KH420, unless it's a very well compressor below 80 Hz that kicks in automatically.

 

[Steakhouse]

Yeah, the numbers dont add up. Also the 120ii only being 3 db louder when bass managed does not make much sense. Maybe they already accounted for typical listening distances? Or the numbers are just some placeholders.

 

[sysfc6]

Pics from before they were removed.

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As you can see in the picture, the KH350 can't be placed horizontally or vertically like the KH420.

 

[Curvature]

As you can see in the picture, the KH350 can't be placed horizontally or vertically like the KH420.

The KH350 is the vertical version of the horizontal KH310.

 

[gparaskevas]

The KH350 is the vertical version of the horizontal KH310.

If kh310 is also ported then maybe.

 

[Pearljam5000]

KH310 II and KH350 have the same woofer size?

 

[Curvature]

KH310 II and KH350 have the same woofer size?

Can't say.

If kh310 is also ported then maybe.

It is not.

These are speakers of a similar size, the main difference being orientation. Makes sense to me anyway.

 

[DJBonoBobo]

These are speakers of a similar size, the main difference being orientation. Makes sense to me anyway.

The 350 looks significantly bigger than the 310 (of course, because otherwise a vertical orientation would not be possible) and is also a bass reflex design. So, the 310 II and 350 will be very different in bass. Also both waveguides of the 350 are deeper and bigger, so the dispersion pattern will proably also be a lot different from the 310 II. I expect the 310 II to have a wider dispersion pattern (like the 310 I) and the 350 a more narrow. Maybe the 350 will even qualify as a a true midfield monitor, i don't know.

So, I expect the 310 II to be a refined version of the 310, but the 350 to be closer to the 420 than to the original 310, but we will see.

 

[Jlaz]

I was about to pull the trigger on Atc scm25mk2 and then I heard about this imminent announcement. Is there any info on any improvement to the Neumann kh310 midrange driver? Lots of mixed reviews on the current model. Many refer to its midrange as sloppy. I was hoping Neumann was going to improve the midrange. This is the only reason I’m waiting. If no change to the current Mid-range, and it’s just going to be better phase coherence, higher spl etc - then I’m going to go with the ATC. Any assistance or guidance would be appreciated

 

[Chr1]

Strange. Can you post a link to these reviews. I have never heard of the midrange of the KH310 being referred to as sloppy. Quite the opposite actually.

There's definitely a fairly broad consensus that the bass drivers capability is SPL limited however.

 

[kharan]

We've seen how the Neumann midrange behaves on the KH310 and the KH420 on this very website, it's anything but sloppy.

 

[Jlaz]

No official reviews online, just comments I’ve seen in the past in places like gearspace and fellow producers regarding the difference in the Atc midrange vs Neumann (and all other brands for that matter). I could be completely wrong. I guess to rephrase my question: “would the new Neumann series be competing with the legendary Atc midrange. Have they specifically worked to improve the Neumann midrange driver?”