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How noisy is this one @TheBatsEar?
Didn't hear a thing using Linux. Now that Windows is doing it's upgrade it's whirring away for a few seconds, then turns off and so on. I'll give you another statement once the updates are done.

I would say not much thought has gone into noise reduction. I'll just remove the top and use cable ties to add a slow RPM fan if it starts to annoy me.
 

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I was considering this model. All models from this brand include DP.

I'm also considering to build something around this barebone, or another similar one. I built another one for my wife based on this other one, with a Noctua slim CPU fan is almost completely silent.
 
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The model was on my wish list, but I need one with Display Port.

How noisy is this one @TheBatsEar?
After the updates are done, it's as silent as Linux.
Played a 4k file, no fan.

If the fan comes on, you can hear it.
 

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Also, it shows the version as activated, but it has neither a digital license in the firmware nor a product key. Means it can't be activated. They sold me a pirated Windows 11 Pro.
I believe that MS has been moving more and more to a digital fingerprinting method for activation rather than storing the license on the TPM module, as it was a method for people to get around activation with a local KMS server or something like that.

If you want more detailed info about your activation, check these links for running a built in command.
advanced: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/get-started/activation-slmgr-vbs-options
simplified: https://www.lifewire.com/slmgr-command-4684499
TLDR: slmgr /dlv at the command prompt
 

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If you want more detailed info about your activation, check these links for running a built in command.
advanced: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/get-started/activation-slmgr-vbs-options
simplified: https://www.lifewire.com/slmgr-command-4684499
TLDR: slmgr /dlv at the command prompt
Cheers.
I tried slmgr /dlv:
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Doesn't matter, it will not be used, i'm a KDE type of chump.

Usually passive cables that cheap are from DP to HDMI. AFAIK, HDMI to DP requires some active electronics, with USB to power them usually. I have one, and it works, but not flawlessly.
Something to keep in mind then. Was lucky so far and didn't need any adapters.
 
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beware, most of those no-name chinese boxes only do 4k30 - hdmi 1.4 (remember reading you had a 4k tv, so i'd think you would want 60hz)


i had an older NUC that couldn't do it by itsef but had an add-on chip, interestignly enough a poor celeron could do 4k60 x265 10bit video without any massive hickups :O
 
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Specs says it's supported as long as you do hardware decoding. If the codec is not supported or the player is dumb, all bets are off.

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Not any TV port understands 4k60, it seems. My TV seems to understand 4k60 on HDMI 1 and 2, but not 3 and 4. That took me some time to figure out.

I quickly installed a GUI (tasksel install kde-desktop, this was a "server" before, no GUI needed), started the GUI login manager with systemctl start sddm and have played 4k content using VLC without problems. Since i don't have much 4k content, i'll leave it at 1080p for now, should be easier for Retroarch. If i need 4k, i can switch in a few seconds.

So far i can recommend this thing for 220€ :cool:.

Dude, the state of that mess :oops:. What is worse is the hole in the back of cabinet. You need to make friends with someone who has a drill with circular attachment.
I couldn't sleep because of the shame. So i have cleaned it up:
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Didn't look that bad from the outside anyway:
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I even installed that white cable tunnel i had in a drawer for what seems to be a year or so :)
 
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Ah, that's better. I must say, it is a very attractive room. OK, the mess way out of sight, but now it is out of mind too - just think of it as the icing on the cake ;).
 

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It get's awfully stuffy in there with 1 laptop, 10x 16TB disks and all that other instrumentation.
I guess all those disks are running from a USB hub. Do you (or anyone) have thoughts on USB hubs? Do you just buy cheap ones and deal with failures/dropouts if they occur or do you spend money on a decent hub.
 
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I guess all those disks are running from a USB hub. Do you (or anyone) have thoughts on USB hubs? Do you just buy cheap ones and deal with failures/dropouts if they occur or do you spend money on a decent hub.
Nope, it just uses two USB3 ports on my notebook/server:
  1. First USB3 => 4 bay enclosure A => 1 bay enclosure A
  2. Second USB3 => 4 bay enclosure B => 1 bay enclosure B
The 4 bay enclosures have a port for another USB3 device, it's like a builtin USB hub.

The 1 bay enclosures aren't connected all the time, they contain archives and backups and parity files only. They also have a builtin hub:


First i tried a RPi4/8GB. It would hang every night, when the cron jobs run. Eventually i found out that the cronjobs caused IO operations, those get thrown into a queue. Hammer the disks with enough IO and their answers take more time to come back. Eventually a timer runs out, saying the USB3 device doesn't react fast enough, it needs to be resetted. That then is the end of it, the RPi server hangs.
I didn't have the same problem with the x230 as a server.


Now i have this new server. I have this new problem that, if the disks gets spun down after a few minutes and there is IO so they have to spin up again, all IO on all USB attached disks waits.
This wasn't a problem with x230. Turns out the x230 has two independent USB3 bridges to the PCIe bus, this device does not.


All in all, USB3 is troublesome. If money isn't a problem, don't use USB to attach large amounts of storage.;)
 

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The exact make listed in the original post is not available on US Amazon, but this one looks identical except for the name:

 
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A man of your calibre TBE, & you've given in to a tidy monitor :facepalm::rolleyes:
What can i say, the weakness is strong within me.:cool:

The exact make listed in the original post is not available on US Amazon, but this one looks identical except for the name:

Name and ram, mine has 12GB, this one has 8GB. But i think they all come from the same manufacturer.
Doesn't mean that you get Windows 11 however, if that's important to you.
 

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I bought a small PC 'router box' to run pfSense recently. I paid £169 for the N5105 version of this (with no RAM or storage)...


Product Highlight
-4x Intel i225-V B3 2.5G RJ45 LANs, 2xUSB3.0.
-2x DDR4 SODIMM non-ecc ram slot, max support 64GB.
-Support two storage: 1xM.2 NVMe/PCIe3.0x2 2280 SSD+1x2.5''SATA SSD/HDD.
-1xHDMI2.0 support [email protected] UHD video display.
-1xSIM slot, 1xMPCIE wireless slot, support WiFi/3G/4G(3 choose 1) connection.
-Support AES-NI, ESXI, PVE, Watchdog, Auto power on, RTC, PXE boot, Wake-on-LAN etc.
-Full Aluminum Alloy high quality solid-built shell with three-sided ice thorns, excellent cooling performance, Exquisite production craft on outside design.
-Fanless system without cooling fan, noiselessness and durability fit for industrial grade field, work as long as 7x24 hours.
-Low consumption TDP only 10/15W and can be mounted back of monitor by VESA bracket(optional).

It took a couple of weeks to arrive in the UK from China (I didn't get hit with any duty)

The N5105 is around a 33% faster than the older J4125 in the OPs box (but consumes the same amount of power):


The PC is in a very nice, passively cooled case (mine is silver)...

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I added 8GB of Crucial RAM (£22) and a 250GB Kioxia NVMe drive (£27), so total cost was £218.
 

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I've had this one for over a year now. It's my everyday computer. Nothing to complain about once Windows is removed. I run Puppy Linux Bionic on it. The burst mode is quite effective as long as the task doesn't take long.
With Puppy Linux it loads a full 1 TB WD Elements remote hard drive in under 12 seconds.


I've had this for a few weeks.
I've got Linux Mate running on it. About 16 seconds to load a 1 TB remote hard drive.

Both are fanless.
Both come with a EMMC chip.
Both can be upgraded with an SSD card.

For playing audio files you need a fraction of the processor capability these machines have.
If you are doing heavyweight DSP on the computer you may need one of the more powerful models.
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I guess all those disks are running from a USB hub. Do you (or anyone) have thoughts on USB hubs? Do you just buy cheap ones and deal with failures/dropouts if they occur or do you spend money on a decent hub.
Buy one with it's own independant power source.
The USB only powered hubs can have difficulties supply above 3.5 Volts. Some kit needs 5 Volts.
 
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