New Kii Seven

[Purité Audio]

I agree and have mentioned it and Martijn says it is in their list…
But they do at least have subs ‘out.’
Keith

 

[Ktacos]

Can't wait to see data on these (is it out?) I have my own little kii seven style speaker I'm working on and I've noticed that the large round overs seem good for the tweeter, but something sounds strange in the 1k region, and the Kii three appears to have some sound sort of blooming out in that area, I wonder if that's what I'm hearing.

 

[Puddingbuks]

Do the Kii Seven gain any traction in the market? Very quiet here.

 

[outfaced]

I really dont understand why Kii are keeping so low about those speakers. They can be heard only on special events ...
Even in big Cities like Berlin or Munich they cant be auditioned in a store just any other major brand speaker. When you build a competition for genelec, D&D and similar it should be at least as accessible to the customers.
D&D are actually also not particularly easy ... but far easier to find and to hear then Kii

 

[BrokenEnglishGuy]

I really dont understand why Kii are keeping so low about those speakers. They can be heard only on special events ...
Even in big Cities like Berlin or Munich they cant be auditioned in a store just any other major brand speaker. When you build a competition for genelec, D&D and similar it should be at least as accessible to the customers.
D&D are actually also not particularly easy ... but far easier to find and to hear then Kii

people just prefer passive speakers, usually cabinets or suolutions for make the cabinets innert, are much better.
for example the d&d 8c has very little atenttion to be '' inner '' vs what you can found in passive speakers at 15K.

The cabinet ''level'' should be in the 1000$ range passive speakers, and passives looks nicer, stores know this fact and just sell more passives.

 

[Emlin]

people just prefer passive speakers, usually cabinets or suolutions for make the cabinets innert, are much better.
for example the d&d 8c has very little atenttion to be '' inner '' vs what you can found in passive speakers at 15K.

The cabinet ''level'' should be in the 1000$ range passive speakers, and passives looks nicer, stores know this fact and just sell more passives.

Really?

 

[BrokenEnglishGuy]

Really?

mybe 1000$ was too high
the speaker is really lightweight, its 26kg for that big cabinet plus all the weight is in the magnets + the electronics

While in the other hand we have genelec with a peace of plastic + some minor damper. This method is good for measuring MDF, but apparently is not that great for alu alum cabinets.
Sadly ASR never developed a way to test how ''innert'' is a cabinet.

 

[Emlin]

mybe 1000$ was too high
the speaker is really lightweight, its 26kg for that big cabinet plus all the weight is in the magnets + the electronics
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While in the other hand we have genelec with a peace of plastic + some minor damper. This method is good for measuring MDF, but apparently is not that great for alu alum cabinets.
Sadly ASR never developed a way to test how ''innert'' is a cabinet.

Really?

 

[JustJones]

Genelec G3 (aluminum) plots from Stereophile

I investigated the enclosure's vibrational behavior with a plastic-tape accelerometer. It was extremely inert. The only resonant mode I found was on the sidewall, at 637Hz (fig.1), but this is vanishingly low in level, even at SPLs >90dB.

The G Three's cumulative spectral-decay plot on the tweeter axis (fig.6) is superbly clean, the only significant ridge of delayed energy occurring at the tweeter's dome-resonance frequency. (As always in my CSD graphs, ignore the ridge just below 16kHz, which is due to interference from the test computer's video circuitry.)

 

[BrokenEnglishGuy]

Genelec G3 (aluminum) plots from Stereophile





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That method is great for mdf/hdf, the accele has a different behavior in alumn surface. So is not comparing apples to apples.


I did talk about the d&d btw.
Which is mdf.

 

[BrokenEnglishGuy]

Genelec G3 (aluminum) plots from Stereophile



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Vs q acoustics c300
Here you know how a clean tweeter sounds like.
The cabinet itself arent going to helo the mids or tweeter to sound cleaner

 

[Emlin]

That method is great for mdf/hdf, the accele has a different behavior in alumn surface. So is not comparing apples to apples.


I did talk about the d&d btw.
Which is mdf.

You talked about Genelec too.

 

[BrokenEnglishGuy]

Vs q acoustics c300
Here you know how a clean tweeter sounds like.
The cabinet itself arent going to helo the mids or tweeter to sound cleaner
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The solution fron kef also looks better than ghe whole genelec lineup solution

 

[BrokenEnglishGuy]

You talked about Genelec too.

Well the second graphs indicates the solution for having the mids and highs innert, is bad vs the competition.
because the accele doesnt work well in alum surf doesnt tell anything about the cabinets
The cabinets from genelec are just a piece of metal and no more, alum tend to ressonate just like mdf, but in a different way. The problem is Genelec didnt make a solution for that.
Maybe they can ask to KEF for the meta thing, so they can add that thing in the back of their coaxial

 

[JustJones]

Dutch and Dutch 8c Studio is MDF the 8c is plywood and hard wood.

 

[Emlin]

Dutch and Dutch 8c Studio is MDF the 8c is plywood and hard wood.

Both are plywood. The pro doesn't have the luxury outer layer. And they both measure exactly the same.

 

[JustJones]

8c Speaker - Dutch & Dutch

Dutch & Dutch 8c Active Loudspeakers shop. HiFi and Studio versions available!

dutchdutch.com

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8c / Studio Differences​

Acoustically, the 8c and the 8c Studio are identical. There are however a few differences you should take into account when making your choice.

	8c	8c Studio
Cabinet	Solid Oak	MDF
Direct Streaming	Yes	No
Mount points	No	Yes

 

[Emlin]

8c Speaker - Dutch & Dutch

Dutch & Dutch 8c Active Loudspeakers shop. HiFi and Studio versions available!

dutchdutch.com

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8c / Studio Differences​

Acoustically, the 8c and the 8c Studio are identical. There are however a few differences you should take into account when making your choice.

	8c	8c Studio
Cabinet	Solid Oak	MDF
Direct Streaming	Yes	No
Mount points	No	Yes

Where does that come from?

 

[Emlin]

Where does that come from?

Ok, I see it now. They've changed things since I last looked. Sorry.

 

[JustJones]

Ok, I see it now. They've changed things since I last looked. Sorry.

It says solid Oak but there is a birch plywood layer under the Oak. At least the ones I owned 3 years ago had that.

Edit: still do

Internally, the 8c is made out of birch plywood. It is used to create the separate compartments for the drivers and to brace the cabinet, in order to increase the stiffness and strength of the cabinet.