New Genelec Main Monitor

[dfuller]

Pretty close
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6dB is a massive difference. Keep in mind we perceive +10dB SPL as twice as loud.

Anyway, mains are designed to be insanely loud. The whole point of them is to impress artists, producers, and A&R. It helps if they're actually usable for the engineer.

 

[dagfinn]

I like JBL as well. Two subs like this would be nice for stereo... And only 45kg! I like the unhindered view to the woofer! Nice!

 

[Sokel]

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I like JBL as well. Two subs like this would be nice for stereo... And only 45kg! I like the unhindered view to the woofer! Nice!

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Not mountable, there's another version for that, I prefer the real deal:

120 Kg though.

 

[dagfinn]

6dB is a massive difference. Keep in mind we perceive +10dB SPL as twice as loud.

Anyway, mains are designed to be insanely loud. The whole point of them is to impress artists, producers, and A&R. It helps if they're actually usable for the engineer.

I'm sure I don't want to percieve either 126 nor 132dB!

Looking up my big boys, I do have the power!

But really, this means mostly that there's a huge overhead - 85dB sounds so unstrained, undistorted and unlimited - it's hard to describe the reality I percieve in the soundfield created by these big monitors. The emotional impact this has is hard to believe, it feeIs like getting so much closer to the artists. I can understand @Behrelec 37 's passion, I feel it too !

Not mountable, there's another version for that, I prefer the real deal:

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120 Kg though.

Good old "Divorcers"

 

[RexrothPigeon]

The sound is always like eating fresh buns every day at the best hotel.

Whoa there buddy this is a family program

 

[Behrelec 37]

RexrothPigeon.

The image of a bun can be changed, for example, to the high-quality meals offered by a hotel, which makes lunch a particularly memorable emotional experience. The overall sound experience was the key factor here. Nothing else.

 

[test1223]

1238a When you pair the largest Genelec subwoofer with the 7382a, you get rock/heavy metal, and techno music, you get that incredible slam, or pressure waves in your chest in time with the music, which lifts the spirits of every man in the room to heavenly heights. No high-end speaker on the market can do the same.

Such an experience is realy great. But there are plenty high end speakers which can provide unlimited power and even provide much more power and slamm compared with the rather small light and ceap Genelecs.

 

[dfuller]

Such an experience is realy great. But there are plenty high end speakers which can provide unlimited power and even provide much more power and slamm compared with the rather small light and ceap Genelecs.

We're not talking about the little standmounts, though.

The 1238a is a 15+5+1 3-way main monitor. It weighs something like 125 pounds.

 

[Behrelec 37]

test1234.

I agree that many speakers produce more sound pressure than Genelec's larger models.

But when it comes to the highest sound quality (the most desirable peak!), i.e., sound quality that remains tightly controlled and consistent/solid/fruitfully fresh even at higher sound pressures, and music that sounds extremely high quality across all genres, I don't think there is a winner among other brands in this competition. Otherwise, the highest quality in top studios would be something other than the brand mentioned above. Of course, I know that there are reasonably good brands that have their flaws, but they are not good enough for the long run.

Unfortunately, there are not many brands on the market that offer a very dynamic, beautiful, clean sound, not to mention many tested top-of-the-line speakers that pass acid tests properly and flawlessly. You have to set your priorities very high (using military methods or NASA's priorities in construction) in order to even be on the same level when it comes to extremely high sound quality.

 

[caught gesture]

Unfortunately, there are not many brands on the market that offer a very dynamic, beautiful, clean sound, not to mention many tested top-of-the-line speakers that pass acid tests properly and flawlessly.

I’m happy to see that you’ve moved on from your dogmatic statement, No high-end speaker on the market can do the same (#109). Progress of sorts (although I am still somewhat traumatised by your daily eating of fresh buns imagery!).

 

[Behrelec 37]

I would also like to point out that even if a leading audio company were a large mass manufacturer with a budget the size of any country or even larger, and its reputation were widely known, it does not necessarily mean that it has the most skilled team producing the highest quality audio equipment.
Big names do not always mean that they produce the best products on the market, or is the American electric car manufacturer Tesla, for example, the most efficient product in the electric car genre when compared to all other manufacturers? Isn't it quite good, but still not anywhere near the best?

 

[test1223]

We're not talking about the little standmounts, though.

The 1238a is a 15+5+1 3-way main monitor. It weighs something like 125 pounds.

I know. There are many high end speakers with many 15 or 18 per side and very heavy solid enclosures. In comparison the biggest Genelec are small and cheap.

You have to set your priorities very high (using military methods or NASA's priorities in construction) in order to even be on the same level when it comes to extremely high sound quality.

Building very good loudspeaker is no rocket science.

Otherwise, the highest quality in top studios would be something other than the brand mentioned above.

No big high end speaker would make economical sense for any studio. The biggest best high end speakers cost about multiple hundred thousands and need a bigger room which would increase the total cost for a studio even more.

 

[Behrelec 37]

No large, top-of-the-line speaker would be an economically sensible choice for a studio. The largest and best top-of-the-line speakers cost several hundred thousand euros and require a larger space, which would further increase the overall cost of the studio.

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- Genelec has already met this need. And it doesn't cost hundreds of thousands. As I recall, the 1236a costs around €80,000/USD per pair. That's enough for symphonic music in studio monitoring.

 

[JaapD]

The biggest best high end speakers cost about multiple hundred thousands and need a bigger room which would increase the total cost for a studio even more.

Interesting. Just out of personal interest, could you give an example of a studio with such an expensive speaker setup? Expecting that the rest of the studio equipment would be in line with that, my initial thoughts would be about the profitability of such a setup.

And who would be their customer base to rent such a studio? Isn’t such a setup even over the top for, for instance, movie post production?

 

[dagfinn]

There's a documentary called Recording in Progress, from 2018 which gives some insigths...

Recording in Progress (2020) ⭐ 6.4 | Documentary, Music

1h

www.imdb.com

 

[Sokel]

Interesting. Just out of personal interest, could you give an example of a studio with such an expensive speaker setup? Expecting that the rest of the studio equipment would be in line with that, my initial thoughts would be about the profitability of such a setup.

And who would be their customer base to rent such a studio? Isn’t such a setup even over the top for, for instance, movie post production?

Do a search about "control rooms studio" and have a look at the pics.
Hope you're a adult cause we're talking serious porn there.

 

[Pearljam5000]

If I had a studio it would look like this :

 

[JaapD]

Do a search about "control rooms studio" and have a look at the pics.
Hope you're an adult cause we're talking serious porn there.

Thanks. I did look at a few of them, none of them in the neighborhood of the “top-of-the-line speakers cost several hundred thousand euros” that Behrelec 37 was refering to, meaning more than 200 KEuro for a set of studio speakers.
Thanks anyway.

 

[Sokel]

Thanks. I did look at a few of them, none of them in the neighborhood of the “top-of-the-line speakers cost several hundred thousand euros” that Behrelec 37 was refering to, meaning more than 200 KEuro for a set of studio speakers.
Thanks anyway.

Usually close or a little north of $100k for gear like the new big PCM's and stuff.
A fraction of the price for a control room of course, room easily dwarfs anything else price-wise.

 

[test1223]

Interesting. Just out of personal interest, could you give an example of a studio with such an expensive speaker setup? Expecting that the rest of the studio equipment would be in line with that, my initial thoughts would be about the profitability of such a setup.

And who would be their customer base to rent such a studio? Isn’t such a setup even over the top for, for instance, movie post production?

No big high end speaker would make economical sense for any studio.

The best loudspeakers like the Acapella Sphäron are purchased by rich enthusiasts and are placed in a dedicated listening rooms most of the time.
It is simply to expensive for a studio. The Sphäron (in the picture) cost about one million dollars has 4 18" drivers per side and dosen't fit in a standard big living room since the ceiling is to low in such a room.