New Genelec Main Monitor

[kma100]

That's the whole point. There isn't one...

 

[Pearljam5000]

There is a holy grail
If you like a a certain brand's house sound
Then that's your holy grail.

 

[Behrelec 37]

There are, of course, many perfectly acceptable speakers on the market, but many of us seem to love this brand, which is quite different from many others for specific reasons. It competes with high sound quality and flexibility, allowing them to be placed in almost any space and always sounding at least good, if not excellent. In addition, these loudspeakers from the same product family can be chained together for multi-channel use with up to a hundred speakers and even completely digitally, if desired.


This product causes heartburn in people who have already invested thousands of euros in passive speaker solutions, and they are at a dead end in terms of how to further improve or develop their own system in their own room. Of course, there is always room for improvement, but the financial wall can become too high when it comes to profitability and common sense.

The world of active speakers is more flexible and often also a more economical and sensible way to pursue this hobby. And, of course, every product that a person builds is always a compromise. However, some manufacturers make greater sacrifices than others. Genelec has managed to minimize many unpleasant developments that lead to a dead end too quickly. That is why they are relatively long-lasting and even repairable if a component wears out a little over time.

 

[JaapD]

JaapD.

I am, with 100% accuracy, the complete opposite of your very, very narrow worldview on how technology should be utilized. If Genelec can make its speakers more efficient and better in all areas, including the midrange, which is now just called a coaxial element, then it's obvious that it should be used in all models where it improves sound quality.

If people are not ambitious enough to take even a single step forward, the world will not develop much at all. Fortunately, some of us look further into the future and try to solve various problems that others have not yet thought about deeply enough in their small and very, very tight minds.
In any case, the current path of technological development makes it possible to bring sound to a larger scale. The coaxial element has obviously been developed further than the limits of the former 10xx product family's midrange element, so if the potential for that development exists, it will certainly not be left unexploited.

Thanks a lot for your compliments!

A coaxial driver is by far nothing new. Do keep in mind that combining drivers into one coaxial design creates all kinds of design limitations. Also possible interference between tweeter and mid range driver cone. In other words, a coaxial driver is a compromise. On the other hand, if you’re able to design individual midrange and tweeter drivers, independently optimized from each other, you ‘could’ (not a given) design a better solution. If on top of that the distance between both drivers is negligible w.r.t. the listening distance from speaker to listener then I tend to think that a solution consisting of separate mid / hi range drivers isn’t that bad at all. I could bring more to the table but this should already be sufficient.

So much then for my by you called very, very, narrow worldview.

 

[Behrelec 37]

JaapD

Just a basic question. Because you can't always know what people's experiences are.
Have you actually had a chance to listen properly to Genelec's 8331/8341/8351/8361 "Ones" series anywhere yet?

And if you have, what did the audio experience sound like at the time?

 

[JaapD]

Genelec calls 1238a both "mid field" and "main monitor". Do you not think the new will be the same, given the similar presumable size and specs? What defines a "main monitor" according to you?

I really, really like the 1238a, but wouldn’t call it a mid field monitor myself. I would call a main monitor a far field monitor but you may have a different perception which is fine of course. Purpose for far field monitors like the 1238a, according Genelec’s website, “ …. for professionals in larger rooms who demand perfect mix translation….”

 

[JaapD]

JaapD

Just a basic question. Because you can't always know what people's experiences are.
Have you actually had a chance to listen properly to Genelec's 8331/8341/8351/8361 "Ones" series anywhere yet?

And if you have, what did the audio experience sound like at the time?

I have listened to the 8361 on several occasions, and have absolutely nothing bad to say against them, other than that they could benefit from adding a W371. Also particularly without the W371 I don’t see them as far field / main monitors, like for instance the 1238a.

For far field main monitors I prefer the 1238a over the 8361 with W371, but that’s a very personal preference.

 

[dagfinn]

I really, really like the 1238a, but wouldn’t call it a mid field monitor myself. I would call a main monitor a far field monitor but you may have a different perception which is fine of course. Purpose for far field monitors like the 1238a, according Genelec’s website, “ …. for professionals in larger rooms who demand perfect mix translation….”

Ok, it seems opinions differ on near-, mid and farfield. Personally I prefer to sit close, due to cross talk and such, but I also like to take a step back and listen a little further back once in a while. Takes a good room to sit further away, though.

I imagine the new coaxial would work well in the types rooms in these pictures, even if the 1238a is already great performer.

 

[Behrelec 37]

1238a When you pair the largest Genelec subwoofer with the 7382a, you get rock/heavy metal, and techno music, you get that incredible slam, or pressure waves in your chest in time with the music, which lifts the spirits of every man in the room to heavenly heights. No high-end speaker on the market can do the same. Even the most expensive loudspeakers only tickle the ears of many and fall far short of that mighty thumping in the chest, that hegemonical experience of pure pleasure. Now, we're not talking about public address (PA) speakers, which are a completely different thing and a different story.


The pressure sensation from the chest feels a little light with the 7380a model, so in my experience it's not quite enough with the 1238a. Two 7380a subwoofers could bring out that special enjoyment better. However, I haven't had a chance to try it out.

Does anyone have any experience with this? You see a lot of these in studios around the world in videos and pictures, but fewer people have had the courage to invest in them for home use, and especially older men or seniors who own them don't reveal the real truth by testing their capabilities with acid tests. I am not a slow-witted boy, but I investigate everything and extract the real truths and results if the opportunity arises. This is how realism truly works in life when you genuinely test the true capabilities of speakers.
You can't break them by playing music, even if you try to play it loud. The sound is always like eating fresh buns every day at the best hotel.

 

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That’s some poetic sh*t going on there…or is it sh*t prose. Hard to decide!

 

[Behrelec 37]

caught gesture.

I can't write poetry, but try your best to refute my claim on this subject.

 

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No high-end speaker on the market can do the same.

How do you know this? Have you listened to them all?

 

[Behrelec 37]

caught gesture.

I won't get into these children's counter-ball games. But if no names come up, then the progress of the matter will stop here, thank you. I'm still not changing my position. Maybe someone else can refute my argument better.

Good luck to the entrepreneurs.

 

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caught gesture.

I won't get into these children's counter-ball games. But if no names come up, then the progress of the matter will stop here, thank you. I'm still not changing my position. Maybe someone else can refute my argument better.

Good luck to the entrepreneurs.

You make grandiose claims but, when challenged, run to your imagined high ground. JBL, Meyer Sound, to name just two speaker manufacturers capable of taking you to your “heavenly heights”, whatever that means!

 

[Behrelec 37]

Can these two manufacturers create chest pressure in time with music from a distance of 3-4 meters?

 

[caught gesture]

Can these two manufacturers create chest pressure in time with music from a distance of 3-4 meters?

Meyer Sound Bluehorn System, Linear Peak SPL 130 dB, so, yes, chest pressure in time with music from a distance of 3-4 metres.(https://docs.meyersound.com/products/en/datasheet---bluehorn-system.html)
You can do the research on JBL.

 

[Purité Audio]

Danley HRE, choose your speaker for application.
Keith

 

[caught gesture]

Danley HRE, choose your speaker for application.
Keith

132.3 dB SPL!

 

[Pearljam5000]

Pretty close

 

[Moti]

”It's launch time! Join us online on Tuesday the 30th of September and be one of the very first to meet an exciting new member of our renowned Smart Active Monitoring (SAM™) range for audio professionals.

This special event – starting at 18:00 EEST and lasting around 45 minutes – will introduce you to a game-changing design, which builds on our legacy of advanced coaxial driver technology, precision engineering and seamless integration with existing Genelec systems. And, as always, our friendly team will be available in chat to help answer any questions you may have. So, be sure to come along!

The event is on YouTube, Facebook and LinkedIn, so please click your favourite platform below and set a reminder.”