New Genelec Main Monitor

[Behrelec 37]

As far as I know, Genelec is developing its coaxial elements because they seem to be the future.


The old midrange element with the phase plug. The 12xx series is apparently slowly becoming history. (It's about 30 years old, but I've heard it's been improved a lot over the years.) Of course, it gives you 10-12 dB more boost than the coaxial drivers in the ones series, which don't carry sound dynamically far enough. So let's see where product development is headed in the near future with regard to coaxial elements.

I don't think buyers will be disappointed. Genelec is one of the greatest pioneers in the field of audio, forging ahead into the future with particularly ambitious steps.

 

[Moti]

That's my concern too, cheapest main monitor is S360 and I'm betting this release is an update to the 12xx series which means even more $$$$

My quess is 8361a x2. So it will be about 20k€/pair with VAT in EU. Or 20k US$+taxes+duties.

From sound quality point of view, I trust 8361a will be better in regular home use. Quantaty vs. Quality. But Genelec might have some Aces in their sleeves so I reserve space to change my opinion later.

 

[Sokel]

My quess is 8361a x2. So it will be about 20k€/pair with VAT in EU. Or 20k US$+taxes+duties.

From sound quality point of view, I trust 8361a will be better in regular home use. Quantaty vs. Quality. But Genelec might have some Aces in their sleeves so I reserve space to change my opinion later.

If it's of the big-ish 12xx series I would probably guess double that figure if not more.
The equivalent of double 8361x2+2W371Ax2 (which makes sense in terms of SPL)

 

[JaapD]

Imho the advantage of a coaxial driver is more important for near/mid field monitors. Not so much for main monitors.

 

[Pearljam5000]

Hopefully the price would be lower than the guesses

 

[Behrelec 37]

JaapD.

I am, with 100% accuracy, the complete opposite of your very, very narrow worldview on how technology should be utilized. If Genelec can make its speakers more efficient and better in all areas, including the midrange, which is now just called a coaxial element, then it's obvious that it should be used in all models where it improves sound quality.

If people are not ambitious enough to take even a single step forward, the world will not develop much at all. Fortunately, some of us look further into the future and try to solve various problems that others have not yet thought about deeply enough in their small and very, very tight minds.
In any case, the current path of technological development makes it possible to bring sound to a larger scale. The coaxial element has obviously been developed further than the limits of the former 10xx product family's midrange element, so if the potential for that development exists, it will certainly not be left unexploited.

 

[ckernel8]

I'm afraid to find out what the price is going to be lol

$15k each is my guess

 

[Pearljam5000]

$15k each is my guess

Don't give them ideas
Could be much less

 

[Esprit]

Will you buy them?

 

[dfuller]

JaapD.

I am, with 100% accuracy, the complete opposite of your very, very narrow worldview on how technology should be utilized. If Genelec can make its speakers more efficient and better in all areas, including the midrange, which is now just called a coaxial element, then it's obvious that it should be used in all models where it improves sound quality.

If people are not ambitious enough to take even a single step forward, the world will not develop much at all. Fortunately, some of us look further into the future and try to solve various problems that others have not yet thought about deeply enough in their small and very, very tight minds.
In any case, the current path of technological development makes it possible to bring sound to a larger scale. The coaxial element has obviously been developed further than the limits of the former 10xx product family's midrange element, so if the potential for that development exists, it will certainly not be left unexploited.

I'm mostly reading this as you're calling a fellow user stupid and closed minded, which is rather uncivil.

 

[Pearljam5000]

Will you buy them?

Haha
If I win the lottery
For sure

 

[Behrelec 37]

Unfortunately, many hi-fi enthusiasts do not understand that technological developments are several years ahead of the current situation in the audio industry. Too many people base their views on a secure life on this hi-fi/high-end sector, tying it to the past and assuming that it will remain unchanged or develop at a steady pace.
There are many different opinions on audio discussion forums, many of which prove to be too expensive and sometimes even crazy. Gathering information is not a question of age or long experience, but of how different technological changes affect and diminish other technologies to a lesser value or benefit, and how understanding of them has increased in terms of how far they can still go in the future.

Lazy people often judge products before they have had a chance to try out their features. We will have to wait and see what the future holds for coaxial midrange speakers, but I assume that there will be no setbacks in development. The audio industry is so competitive, a male-dominated world in terms of product range, that many people can get angry if their favorite manufacturer does not fully meet their expectations.

I would also like to add that speculation is neither science nor art, but a continuum of dreams that often takes over the mind with false imaginings.

 

[Behrelec 37]

Many of us have different hi-fi needs.

Some of us can take advantage of dynamics, while others have to settle for smaller speaker models and a weaker listening experience in terms of dynamics. These large Master Series speakers reveal their full potential when fed directly from high-quality audio sources, such as the 24-bit digital soundtrack of a Blu-ray movie. This brings out the perceptibility and depth of the image in a way that skillfully mimics the sound model/copy of the realism experienced by humans, provided that the GLM settings are balanced.

The Ones series gives an indication of where resolution accuracy is heading, as the richness of the mosaic-like sound image of the so-called master series speakers in relation to the stereo image continues to intensify.

 

[Mort]

I'm mostly reading this as you're calling a fellow user stupid and closed minded, which is rather uncivil.

I don't know what it says because I already have that user on ignore.

 

[G|force]

Oops wrong thread!

 

[Behrelec 37]

Mort.

Isn't it great, Mort, that many of us enthusiasts here have many perspectives on the great advantages of active speakers over traditional passive speakers, and thus music enthusiasts from different countries who are more advanced in their hobby can offer and share more benefits and perspectives that may not immediately or even ever occur to many people.

DSP is already here today, enabling the benefits of room correction to be taken further, with a higher level of quality than without correction. New active speaker products always sound more beautiful and clearer, and listening fatigue can be stretched even further when playing louder. Passive speakers are more prone to listening fatigue.

 

[kma100]

Mort.

Isn't it great, Mort, that many of us enthusiasts here have many perspectives on the great advantages of active speakers over traditional passive speakers, and thus music enthusiasts from different countries who are more advanced in their hobby can offer and share more benefits and perspectives that may not immediately or even ever occur to many people.

DSP is already here today, enabling the benefits of room correction to be taken further, with a higher level of quality than without correction. New active speaker products always sound more beautiful and clearer, and listening fatigue can be stretched even further when playing louder. Passive speakers are more prone to listening fatigue.

@Mort won't see your post. You do have a tendency of over the top exuberance which can be off putting. Genelec is good company but not the holy grail of speaker design. Just an observation...

 

[dagfinn]

Imho the advantage of a coaxial driver is more important for near/mid field monitors. Not so much for main monitors.

Genelec calls 1238a both "mid field" and "main monitor". Do you not think the new will be the same, given the similar presumable size and specs? What defines a "main monitor" according to you?

 

[Kain]

@Mort won't see your post. You do have a tendency of over the top exuberance which can be off putting. Genelec is good company but not the holy grail of speaker design. Just an observation...

What company/companies would you consider to be the holy grail of speaker design?

 

[dfuller]

What company/companies would you consider to be the holy grail of speaker design?

There isn't one. There are compromises in everything.

Genelec calls 1238a both "mid field" and "main monitor". Do you not think the new will be the same, given the similar presumable size and specs? What defines a "main monitor" according to you?

The 1237 and up absolutely count as mains - they get incredibly loud. The 1237 alone is capable of doing better than 110dB per pair at 2m, and it's the small one.