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New Genelec Main Monitor

These sound the same as the 8361a, but the sound image is bigger.

But when I listened to these 8380a models a while ago with a friend of mine in a store, and this friend of mine has 1238a speakers at home and a big Genelec subwoofer, the 8380a settings were not at all right in the midrange, and the sound of metal music, specifically the Finnish heavy metal band Sentenced's album The Cold White Light, was far too thin with these speakers. With the 1238a models, on the other hand, the same heavy metal music sounds solid and remains solid even when played louder in the midrange. We were a little disappointed, but they still produce a very clean sound and can be enjoyed in many ways. However, I would still possibly choose the 1238a speakers if the midrange cannot be made more effective with glm adjustments.

Now it didn't go as it should have. These are such expensive speakers on the market that you would think they would exceed the quality criteria of the previous generation, and in terms of sound purity, they certainly do, but I don't know if the GLM single-point measurement was set too straight. Maybe better adjustments and luck will come in the future.


The music source was a streaming service in an audio hifi/high end store, and Quobuz was available the whole time. We also listened to other music genres for about two hours straight, and they worked just fine, but heavy metal didn't work with the above band, nor did Accept. Unfortunately, I don't remember the songs my friend played on these 8380a models. I would say that these speakers also benefit from Genelec's larger subwoofers, which were 7380a. We listened to them separately and together, changing the GLM software groups on the fly with a computer mouse.
 
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I remember that my old Behringer 2031a speakers had a completely transparent piece of tape, about the size of a pinky fingernail, attached/glued by the manufacturer to the inside of the tweeter diaphragm, attached to the metal grille. But I have never seen such tape adjustments in any Genelec speakers.

Having made DIY horn speakers myself in the past, I went even further and built a sound wave guide that was attached directly in front of the Behringer 2031a tweeter. It was quite a large piece of work, about the size of a large palm. This is just a side note to show that things can be stretched.
 
The harshest criticism of Genelec, of course, comes from FINNISH DIY speaker designer.
The huge shadow of the big G, almost in your own backyard... it just plain sucks. Think about yourself, damn it...

For example, Belarusian and Nigerian speaker designers have a much easier domestic competition situation. It's like winning the lottery in reverse to be a Finnish DIY speaker designer. Genelec may not have even sold those speaker drivers for DIY projects back in the day (>25 years ago). Which further increases the cumulative bitterness.

Of course, a fundamental characteristic of Finnishness is always bottomless negativity, because everything (I mean EVERYTHING) is ultimately just shit here when you look at it from the right perspective. Finland may be the happiest country in the world, but from here, everything is ultimately just shit. If you haven't noticed it yet, you're just looking at it from the wrong angle.

So, if you want to learn the true essence of finding crap directly from the top experts in the field, come to Finland for the Shit Revealing Introductory Course. The course packages for international audio guys are

-Basic Shit. For beginners who want to get acquainted with the world of downsides.

-Intermediate Shit. For those who already have some experience in finding downsides.

-TOTAL Shit. A top-level doctoral course for the world's top shit finders. Also includes Finnish citizenship.
I found this very funny.
I worked with Keke Rosberg for several years - though he left Finland decades ago for somewhere warmer (and lighter in winter) illustrating your comment quite well.
 
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I remember Howard Popeck ( Subjective Audio/ Mornington Crescent, now sadly deceased) telling me a story of he installed some Linn Kan speakers for a customer, they came apparently with some tape that covered the tweeter which Howard initially forget to remove, on a subsequent visit shortly afterwards he removed the tape, a few days later he received a phone call from the customer asking him to re-install the tape.
Keith
 
I remember Howard Popeck ( Subjective Audio/ Mornington Crescent, now sadly deceased) telling me a story of he installed some Linn Kan speakers for a customer, they came apparently with some tape that covered the tweeter which Howard initially forget to remove, on a subsequent visit shortly afterwards he removed the tape, a few days later he received a phone call from the customer asking him to re-install the tape.
Keith
Wasn't Kans I'm sure, as the grilles were basically stuck on at the factory and a pain to remove...

So long ago I can't remember now if the larger Sara and Isobarik had tape over their tweeters - maybe they did?

Apologies, as you were fellas. I'm enjoying the comparisons between a slimline Genelec perched on a sub compared to these slightly more traditional models. Domestically, we've become so conditioned to tower-style speakers (organ pipe tuning in the bass remember unless some internal work is done), i don't think many well off homes would accept a 15" driver or two...
 
Wasn't Kans I'm sure, as the grilles were basically stuck on at the factory and a pain to remove...

So long ago I can't remember now if the larger Sara and Isobarik had tape over their tweeters - maybe they did?

Apologies, as you were fellas. I'm enjoying the comparisons between a slimline Genelec perched on a sub compared to these slightly more traditional models. Domestically, we've become so conditioned to tower-style speakers (organ pipe tuning in the bass remember unless some internal work is done), i don't think many well off homes would accept a 15" driver or two...
The home will accept it, but the home-maker - that's another question. If I'd be single - Augspurger, Westlake... :)
 
Thought they did quite well.
Shapes are as bad as with Blade2 Meta (with side woofers), but fortunately DI does not drop to negative. DI step at mid is not a good thing in full space setup, but strong brands can have wider tolerances...
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Come on people we need impressions ;)
Was there too, for what it's worth here are mine : it's a hella freaking fun speaker

It's accurate like a monitor, it disappears like an audiophile dream, it's loud like a stadium line array, I love it

The levels were not matched and the 80 were placed wider but we compared the 61 and the 80 on one song : the 61 seemed very accurate, well controlled, full range, awesome

It definitely sounds like an endgame speaker

But but but... what if you want to push your 61 to 11 and party with it ?
Well the 80 is for that

Take the same same accuracy and gorgeous imaging, but with seemingly infinite headroom (for domestic use of course)

On the paper it's only 4 dB more but it feels a lot more, the impacts of the 15 inch makes you feel like in front of a big live show it's awesome

But keep in mind that a pair of 80 is about 8k€ more than a pair of 61, 10k€ more than a pair of 51.
Not enough to get a pair of W371 but enough to get 2 or more good subs...

I think for home a 61/51 is the choice of reason, but the 8380 would be the choice of the heart for me (that said I haven't yet had the chance to listen to a W371 combo so maybe it's even better !)
 
Was there too, for what it's worth here are mine : it's a hella freaking fun speaker

It's accurate like a monitor, it disappears like an audiophile dream, it's loud like a stadium line array, I love it

The levels were not matched and the 80 were placed wider but we compared the 61 and the 80 on one song : the 61 seemed very accurate, well controlled, full range, awesome

It definitely sounds like an endgame speaker

But but but... what if you want to push your 61 to 11 and party with it ?
Well the 80 is for that

Take the same same accuracy and gorgeous imaging, but with seemingly infinite headroom (for domestic use of course)

On the paper it's only 4 dB more but it feels a lot more, the impacts of the 15 inch makes you feel like in front of a big live show it's awesome

But keep in mind that a pair of 80 is about 8k€ more than a pair of 61, 10k€ more than a pair of 51.
Not enough to get a pair of W371 but enough to get 2 or more good subs...

I think for home a 61/51 is the choice of reason, but the 8380 would be the choice of the heart for me (that said I haven't yet had the chance to listen to a W371 combo so maybe it's even better !)
Thanks ;)
 
Shapes are as bad as with Blade2 Meta (with side woofers), but fortunately DI does not drop to negative. DI step at mid is not a good thing in full space setup, but strong brands can have wider tolerances...
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Can you show such plots of loudspeakers that satisfy your high standards and have similar SPL capabilities?
 
Can you show such plots of loudspeakers that satisfy your high standards and have similar SPL capabilities?
My wild guess would be something of the likes of Dunlavy SC-VI or so If I have come to understand Kimmosto right.
 
My wild guess would be something of the likes of Dunlavy SC-VI or so If I have come to understand Kimmosto right.
Let's see, although I strongly doubt that something like that would be competitive in terms of SPL and directivity.
 
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Let's see, although I strongly doubt that something like that would be competitive in terms of SPL and directivity.
This one yes, can go loud, it's two meter tall, it's an experience to listen to it.
And although it's old...

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I mean, can't get better than this.
 
This one yes, can go loud, it's two meter tall, it's an experience to listen to it.
And although it's old...

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I mean, can't get better than this.
1990s Hifi loud yes but not a comparison to 2020s PA drivers. Also what does a nice (but imho not as important for loudspeakers) step response have to do with the more important directivity?
 
What does a nice (but imho not as important for loudspeakers) step response have to do with the more important directivity?
Nice is one thing, DAC''s electrical response alike chart is another, we're talking a miracle here, 25 years ago,
It would go without saying that rest are pristine as well, check the measurements.
 
mangles their vertical directivity.
At a two way, completely, at a three-way, less.
This one is four-way and famous about its symmetrical pattern, both vertical and horizontal.

Again, it's 25 years old.
 
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