New Genelec Main Monitor

[Leporello]

Sensing a bit of national bias here

Not only national bias. There is indeed a ludicrous contemporary cult of Genelec, much like the cult surrounding certain UK hifi brands in the 70s and 80s. The only true way.

 

[Pearljam5000]

Define cult

 

[Pekka Perämoottori]

Not only national bias. There is indeed a ludicrous contemporary cult of Genelec, much like the cult surrounding certain UK hifi brands in the 70s and 80s. The only true way.

Do you think the JBL M2's driver placement and driver frequency distribution are advantageous for a speaker like this in terms of avoiding floor reflection? Do you have any other opinions or views regarding the technical solutions used in the aforementioned Genelec or JBL -speakers?

If you do not, would you then go playing the national stereotype of silently nullifying mitigation-pessimist somewhere else, before disappointment sets in, please.

 

[RexrothPigeon]

Not only national bias. There is indeed a ludicrous contemporary cult of Genelec, much like the cult surrounding certain UK hifi brands in the 70s and 80s. The only true way.

This is pure invective and I hope you are better than this.

 

[kimmosto]

Not only national bias. There is indeed a ludicrous contemporary cult of Genelec, much like the cult surrounding certain UK hifi brands in the 70s and 80s. The only true way.

Few Genelec owners are trying to hype though the worst maniacs are Finnish. However, negative opinions have already been expressed about the 8380. Such as "lussu", "mussupossu", and "if you try a little harder, the LED will flash and the sound will be compressed". All this after setup with small low shelf by professional G-man.

 

[Sokel]

Few Genelec owners are trying to hype though the worst maniacs are Finnish. However, negative opinions have already been expressed about the 8380. Such as "lussu", "mussupossu", and "if you try a little harder, the LED will flash and the sound will be compressed". All this after setup with small low shelf by professional G-man.

To be fair here, it's not a big mains, rather a medium one.
Limits are expected.

 

[Bjorn]

The best is of course to place the ports in the rear of the speaker, so it doesn't interact with the drivers at all.

 

[Sokel]

The best is of course to place the ports in the rear of the speaker, so it doesn't interact with the drivers at all.

These are made for mounting, back ports wouldn't work there.

 

[Pearljam5000]

Maybe they should have went with a compression tweeter

 

[Bjorn]

These are made for mounting, back ports wouldn't work there.

I see. Bottom or under the woofer in the front would also be better options. But cabinet here seems to suffer from diffraction either way.

 

[Pearljam5000]

Few Genelec owners are trying to hype though the worst maniacs are Finnish. However, negative opinions have already been expressed about the 8380. Such as "lussu", "mussupossu", and "if you try a little harder, the LED will flash and the sound will be compressed". All this after setup with small low shelf by professional G-man.

Where did you read this?

 

[kimmosto]

Where did you read this?

From my WhatsApp and the same on the phone with more inclusive description.

Anyway, 8380 is the most promising G model in 35 years. I thought it would be interesting to listen at home. But unbalanced directivity index is the most probable problem. Quite clear directivity step between bass and mid needs flush mounting to balance DI and power spectrums to full half space listening sector. Unfortunately that is probably not acceptable (by wife) in our living room. Another "risk" is that I prefer tower speakers with some vertical directivity as a full space installation.

 

[JaapD]

These are made for mounting, back ports wouldn't work there.

Apart from this, let’s say the port is tuned at 28 Hz, then the wavelength will be 12,25 m (40 ft). With this wavelength it doesn’t matter whether the port is at the front or at the back.

 

[kimmosto]

Apart from this, let’s say the port is tuned at 28 Hz, then the wavelength will be 12,25 m (40 ft). With this wavelength it doesn’t matter whether the port is at the front or at the back.

Port signal extends slightly above XO frequency so location matters almost without exceptions. This applies also to 3-way speakers having the lowest pipe resonance above the XO frequency. Anyway, this speaker has front ports to support flush mounting.

 

[JaapD]

Port signal extends slightly above XO frequency so location matters almost without exceptions. This applies also to 3-way speakers having the lowest pipe resonance above the XO frequency. Anyway, this speaker has front ports to support flush mounting.

Lowest pipe resonance above the XO frequency? Never heard of this. A Helmholtz resonator’s frequency is placed below the woofers own cutoff frequency, in order to extend the lowest cutoff frequency, without creating a ‘hump’ in the transfer function.

 

[Duke]

Lowest pipe resonance above the XO frequency? Never heard of this.

The port itself will have a pipe resonance. This is not a Helmholtz resonance (which requires an enclosure). Imagine how your voice is colored when you talk through a cardboard tube.

 

[Flaesh]

For example:

(often it's not that bad)
One more:

 

[DSJR]

Not only national bias. There is indeed a ludicrous contemporary cult of Genelec, much like the cult surrounding certain UK hifi brands in the 70s and 80s. The only true way.

Oh I dunno... Genelec have good design and good sound, down to a fine art by all accounts and should be applauded for their efforts and product evolution (I bet their earliest models are extremely good too if not quite as detail-refined as modern ones).

Male orientated hobbies (and music tastes too) can be very cultish (ladies are usually far more sensible ). I think at this level, one just needs to see the kind of environment these monitors are used in and the albums you like that may have been mixed and mastered using them... It's still ATC for me, but I readily accept that there are other modern designs that have created some wonderful commercial recordings these days

 

[Duke]

The best is of course to place the ports in the rear of the speaker, so it doesn't interact with the drivers at all.

Not only that, but ime any midrange energy which exits the ports (typically after being colored by the port's pipe resonance) will be less audible at normal listening positions if it starts out at the back of the enclosure instead of the front.

 

[Pearljam5000]

So which is better 8380 or 8361?