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New Genelec Main Monitor

Why didn't the 8380 keep the 4 mid drivers at the corners like. 8381? View attachment 479638
One of the main design goals of the 8380A was to replace the historic 1x38 models. It meant it would also be a three-way design. Incorporating the four 5-inch mid woofers from the 8381A would have made it a four-way, making the whole design much more complicated and expensive. Also, fitting the drivers into a smaller DCW with the front firing reflex ports would be a mechanical nightmare.
 
One of the main design goals of the 8380A was to replace the historic 1x38 models. It meant it would also be a three-way design. Incorporating the four 5-inch mid woofers from the 8381A would have made it a four-way, making the whole design much more complicated and expensive. Also, fitting the drivers into a smaller DCW with the front firing reflex ports would be a mechanical nightmare.
Should we expect an 8370 at some point to replace the 1237? Or is that far out
 
The other thing they said was that listening continuously at 90+ dB is not recommended. I listen at 100+ when I do. Better not get these for my hearing sake. Also they mentioned a minimum room size and how they would help you select the right model for your needs.
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Should we expect an 8370 at some point to replace the 1237? Or is that far out
Naturally I can't say anything about the possible future product releases. But speaking in general terms, we don't typically make new products unless we see there is a clear need and demand from the market. Only time will tell. :)
 
@Ilkka Rissanen ... I love to buy not very expensive speakers (8330A class - they are very good exept self noise) but with lower self noise than 8330A - are You planning something like that? ;) ;) ;) (blink left eye if Yes, and right eye if not)

we don't typically make new products unless we see there is a clear need and demand from the market.:)
I have demand, ... I have demand ;)
 
It's pretty cool in white
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@Ilkka Rissanen ... I love to buy not very expensive speakers (8330A class - they are very good exept self noise) but with lower self noise than 8330A - are You planning something like that? ;) ;) ;) (blink left eye if Yes, and right eye if not)


I have demand, ... I have demand ;)
It is 11:33 PM in Finland so very soon both of my eyes will blink, but if you think that we can today make a much higher max SPL monitor with <0 dB SPL self-generated noise level, I can promise you that IF one day we will replace the 8330A with a new model, it will for sure have a lower self-generated noise level. :)
 
Gotta love how the thread went from 'horns are trash' to Genelec’s horn-ish main monitor (definitely great by default) :)
 
I am sorry to say, but we are currently following this product numbering and coding scheme. Since both 8380A and 8381A are having a 15 inch bass driver, the third digit needs to be an 8. 8381A is closer to The Ones family with their Point Source Continued Directivity (PCD) Technology, therefore it got the 1 as last digit, and the later introduced model got the 0.

That makes logical sense and follows the convention! Thank you for clarifying.
 
Idk but I guess from the way they presented it 1. Cost. 2. it's just an old fashioned main updated with GLM and new port design. 3. It dispensed with the fancy directivity, because 1 & 2
Well the big thing in my eyes is that is that coaxial driver. The second thing which confuses me is that this product has better isolines than the Ones. It is constant directivity right?
 
Well the big thing in my eyes is that is that coaxial driver. The second thing which confuses me is that this product has better isolines than the Ones. It is constant directivity right?
Yes but even Kali does that kind of 3-way for years so while it's an upgrade it's kinda expected?

I haven't studied the graphs. Bear in might the Ones are not full range so may look ragged on the edge. Also the new main isn't designed for near field listening. I can't imagine its vertical pattern comes together except at distance, one of the things the Ones are unusually good at.
 
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Yes but even Kali does that kind of 3-way for years so while it's an upgrade it's kinda expected?

I haven't studied the graphs. Bear in might the Ones are not full range so may look ragged on the edge. Also the new main isn't designed for near field listening. I can't imagine its vertical pattern comes together except at distance, one of the things the Ones are unusually good at.
I’m not doubting Kali in any way. My understanding is that Genelec knew this the future and they started working on their coaxial even before KEF’s patent expired. What I heard is that it took years to get the tweeter/midramge physical interface to emit a perfectly coherent wavefront.

They probably knew that the KEF patent was the only way to do it right.

I haven’t studied graphs of Kali or those new MSFL coaxials but I really wonder if they are perfectly coherent. You know once MSFL gets into something it’s a trend.

I would however trust TAD to get it right. I wonder if they used the KEF patent.
 
I’m not doubting Kali in any way. My understanding is that Genelec knew this the future and they started working on their coaxial even before KEF’s patent expired. What I heard is that it took years to get the tweeter/midramge physical interface to emit a perfectly coherent wavefront.

They probably knew that the KEF patent was the only way to do it right.

I haven’t studied graphs of Kali or those new MSFL coaxials but I really wonder if they are perfectly coherent. You know once MSFL gets into something it’s a trend.

I would however trust TAD to get it right. I wonder if they used the KEF patent.
Interesting topic. When did genelec get started with coax ? Was it 8260A in 2010 it was there any before?
 
Interesting topic. When did genelec get started with coax ? Was it 8260A in 2010 it was there any before?
I believe it was the 8260a. Found this right here: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/why-are-coaxials-so-rare.26915/

There is also a Reddit thread discussing how the patent is actually for using the woofer as waveguide and it goes over my head regarding air flow and air pressure. It’s seems like it really a lot harder to do right than one would imagine. Apparently KEF went crazy after the patent expired and had to pivot.


I’ll just link to it here even if it is sort of off topic:
 
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What is the optimal listening distance if it can be used as nearfield?
 
It is 11:33 PM in Finland so very soon both of my eyes will blink, but if you think that we can today make a much higher max SPL monitor with <0 dB SPL self-generated noise level, I can promise you that IF one day we will replace the 8330A with a new model, it will for sure have a lower self-generated noise level. :)
Why are you using Class AB for the tweeter instead of class D?
 
More interesting, a very narrow horizontal directivity. Might not be the best choice for "pleasure" listening.
Except high SPL, narrow directivity is the main feature of main monitors, so the direct sound still dominates at higher listening distances. I (and few others) also prefer listening in such "nearfield" even for "pleasure", but some seemingly have a different preference there.
 
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