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New Fiio Jade Audio Level 1 TPA3255 amplifier with DAC, PEQ, sub-out, BT 6.0 LDAC

KL.... said:
Thank you, @tjaa, what model is this one. The link points to K11 R2R (Headphone Amp) but the photo is a different unit....
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The correct page shows up once you set the site language to Chinese as mentioned, they have not added the English one yet.
 
I like how it looks ! What confuse me is there is no mention of remote, at the same time "input" does not looks like a button.
No Trigger for me personally it's a disadvantage but for desk usage where this amp is dedicated it's probably not a big deal.
 
Judd Sandage said:
Well I pre-ordered it, looks so good in black with that dark wood as an accent, noticed on the APOS page that to change input you need to use the app on your phone? Huh? why? this should be a button or a selector switch or something.. not a function in an app that you have to have your phone connected to.
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Input can be switched by pushing volume knob.
Knob backlight colour corresponds to selected input.
 
I really don’t need this, but I might just pick one up.
Though, I wish it had balanced inputs as well.
 
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tjaa said:
The correct page shows up once you set the site language to Chinese as mentioned, they have not added the English one yet.
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Thank you, @tjaa, do Fiio offer an Outboard 53V/12A SMPS? Wonder what Ventilation/Heatsinking is utilised....

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Guddu said:
Don't know if this is from TI's website or document, but Fiio have this on product page which might be their way of saying PFFB (or may be not!)?

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Thank you, @Guddu, if TI then the TPA3255 chip utilises PreFFB but Fiio Level 1 does not mention PFFB, so it seems. If PFFB was utilised then Fiio would, highly likely, mention it, wouldn't they?
 
KL.... said:
Thank you, @Guddu, if TI then the TPA3255 chip utilises PreFFB but Fiio Level 1 does not mention PFFB, so it seems. If PFFB was utilised then Fiio would, highly likely, mention it, wouldn't they?
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You are probably right but someone internal to them told me it has PFFB ckt, I am yet to see the PCB pics or any further information though.
 
A reply I received from Fiio customer service regarding PEQ & crossover features:
It has the ability to divide frequencies, but not as you expect. The level 1 internally uses an active electronic dual-frequency architecture. This means it will split the audio signal internally, driving the speaker's own tweeter and mid-woofer units separately. This is a fixed function within the speaker.
It does not have the "subwoofer management" function you need. The "subwoofer output interface" mentioned in the text is only a simple signal output port and does not specify that it has a subwoofer management system with adjustable crossover points, slopes, or phases. This is completely different from the DSP function of a Wiim Amp, which can set high-pass/low-pass filters separately for external subwoofers and main speakers.
level1 does not currently support the function of setting up independent PEQ for the left and right channels.
I have already submitted your concept to the design department
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Fiio is killing it lately. They got that right spot, where they are clearly more premium than other chinese brands but still significantly cheaper than their western and japanese competition.
 
NEDM said:
Fiio is killing it lately. They got that right spot, where they are clearly more premium than other chinese brands but still significantly cheaper than their western and japanese competition.
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Yes they have made some nice products, like the K17. I think they have much better industrial design compared to Topping or SMSL.
 
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As usual an average company misses the nail with a simple fucking bass management feature. Why even include sub outs if you can't high pass. Companies never just learn. Hopefully fiio can make something like this but a bass managed 2.1 or 2.2 unit Balanced DAC/pre amp without an amp and just the DAC and Bluetooth maybe for desktop 2.1 with people who already have active speakers. 3+ years still waiting for a company to do this simple device (excluding Luxsin X9 as it's expensive and just huge)
 
VilmFilm said:
As usual an average company misses the nail with a simple fucking bass management feature. Why even include sub outs if you can't high pass. Companies never just learn. Hopefully fiio can make something like this but a bass managed 2.1 or 2.2 unit Balanced DAC/pre amp without an amp and just the DAC and Bluetooth maybe for desktop 2.1 with people who already have active speakers. 3+ years still waiting for a company to do this simple device (excluding Luxsin X9 as it's expensive and just huge)
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Yeah, I've been trying to find a good sub solution for an integrated amp setup and it has been surprisingly challenging. Few budget units seem to have internal HPF options. And adding something like mini DSP isn't a good solution because you generally can't go out of the integrated, into the DSP, and then back into the amp function of the integrated. And if your integrated can't do it, the two options seem to be subs that have line inputs and outputs with built-in HPFs, and going through the sub and then into the speakers, which doesn't give you much control over the HPF, or passive HPFs between amp and speaker, which doesn't seem to give the best results. I was hoping the Level 1's PEQ through the app would give me the bass management flexibility I was looking for, but sounds we're not quite there yet. From what I've read WIIM's bass management is the standard bearer in this price range, unless anyone has other suggestions?

This seems to be a real deficit with integrated amplifiers. With cheap separates, you can at least add something to the chain to do it.
 
VilmFilm said:
As usual an average company misses the nail with a simple fucking bass management feature. Why even include sub outs if you can't high pass. Companies never just learn. Hopefully fiio can make something like this but a bass managed 2.1 or 2.2 unit Balanced DAC/pre amp without an amp and just the DAC and Bluetooth maybe for desktop 2.1 with people who already have active speakers. 3+ years still waiting for a company to do this simple device (excluding Luxsin X9 as it's expensive and just huge)
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I think there's definitely a gap in the market for this excluding rack mount pro audio gear. I would want a balanced DAC/preamp with PEQ into 6 channels for stereo + 4 subs (following Subwoofers: Optimum Number and Locations) far cheaper than a miniDSP Flex HTX or RME Fireface UCX II. MiniDSP Flex TRS exists for 4 out & Audient recently released their Oria Mini for inline 2.1 but their price is still high compared to how cheap you can get PEQ in 2 channel nowadays. Such a 6 channel out device (with very uncertain performance) did technically exist for a few weeks until it was discontinued:
www.audiosciencereview.com

ADAU1452-based "BEAYEAU" M26DSP from China, not cheap - any good?

M26DSP ADAU1452 Audio Processor 2 in 6 Out USB QCC3084 Bluetooth XLR/RCA Coaxial /fiber Input - https://a.aliexpress.com/_mKiL9Vj DSP noob here please ELI5 Use cases include crossovers, general PEQ, maybe non-automated room correction? Using REW + UMIK-2 for measuring... Yes I realise...
www.audiosciencereview.com www.audiosciencereview.com
I also find the DSPi project quite promising as you could theoretically take SPDIF input to ADAT output for a multichannel interface/DAC.
www.audiosciencereview.com

Introducing DSPi | A powerful, user friendly and open source DSP for less than a cup of coffee

For the longest time, I have been in search of the “perfect” inexpensive audio DSP device. Something with user friendly control software that could accept a USB input, apply PEQ, delays and other essential processing and then produce a digital output. Over the holidays, I was (un)fortunate...
www.audiosciencereview.com www.audiosciencereview.com
Given how many recent Fiio devices support PEQ I'm hopeful they can eventually add things like per-channel control, LPF/HPF and time alignment and release products to compete with miniDSP (or Wiim). For now I'm stuck with a nanoDIGI and lots of boxes :)
 
bozodidthedub said:
Are you folks able to tell from the specs, should it be possible to use a different preamp and DAC and go into the Level 1 through the line input? Essentially, using it as a power amplifier and bypassing its undisclosed DAC and such. (I'd be using the K13 R2R.) Thanks for any input
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If it's line input analog it shouldn't use its internal DAC I would think but the chain should go. DAC > PRE AMP line out > Level 1 line input? I don't see why not it shouldn't work.
tjaa said:
I think there's definitely a gap in the market for this excluding rack mount pro audio gear. I would want a balanced DAC/preamp with PEQ into 6 channels for stereo + 4 subs (following Subwoofers: Optimum Number and Locations) far cheaper than a miniDSP Flex HTX or RME Fireface UCX II. MiniDSP Flex TRS exists for 4 out & Audient recently released their Oria Mini for inline 2.1 but their price is still high compared to how cheap you can get PEQ in 2 channel nowadays. Such a 6 channel out device (with very uncertain performance) did technically exist for a few weeks until it was discontinued:
www.audiosciencereview.com

ADAU1452-based "BEAYEAU" M26DSP from China, not cheap - any good?

M26DSP ADAU1452 Audio Processor 2 in 6 Out USB QCC3084 Bluetooth XLR/RCA Coaxial /fiber Input - https://a.aliexpress.com/_mKiL9Vj DSP noob here please ELI5 Use cases include crossovers, general PEQ, maybe non-automated room correction? Using REW + UMIK-2 for measuring... Yes I realise...
www.audiosciencereview.com www.audiosciencereview.com
I also find the DSPi project quite promising as you could theoretically take SPDIF input to ADAT output for a multichannel interface/DAC.
www.audiosciencereview.com

Introducing DSPi | A powerful, user friendly and open source DSP for less than a cup of coffee

For the longest time, I have been in search of the “perfect” inexpensive audio DSP device. Something with user friendly control software that could accept a USB input, apply PEQ, delays and other essential processing and then produce a digital output. Over the holidays, I was (un)fortunate...
www.audiosciencereview.com www.audiosciencereview.com
Given how many recent Fiio devices support PEQ I'm hopeful they can eventually add things like per-channel control, LPF/HPF and time alignment and release products to compete with miniDSP (or Wiim). For now I'm stuck with a nanoDIGI and lots of boxes :)
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At this point it's a race from Fosi or Fiio. Luxsin is a great brand but I kind of give up with them unless they surprise me with a product in looking for. While luxsin is great I think they focus too much on the luxury side and random gadgets and features (which isn't a bad thing but eh). Fosi has their own sub so lately I'm seeing them put in high passes and sub outs. Which is GREAT but I just need a dac/pre amp. It's definitely nice to see fiio put a sub out and I have hopes for the future.
 
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