New Collaboration with Ascilab!

[Hipster Doofus]

When can we expect AsciLab vending machines.

 

[Liberal Democracy]

Still, you need to add "Barrowmaster" to your ID.

There's only one barrowmaster , until Amirm learns cockney rhyming slang and can sell unlimited amounts of crockery out of the back of his camper van Keith is safe ..

However, a new tag ,, desperate dealer esq would be good . It would have to be adequately demeaning of course, what's good for the goose is good for the gander after all .

Razor thin margins and unprecedented efficiency, thats code for no comfort breaks, staff nap out back while working 24h shifts and dont be expecting anything more than a cucumber sandwich for tea .

Although it might be Amirm that can only afford cucumber sandwiches soon !

 

[Hipster Doofus]

The only thing left is more color choice like the cute little genelec.

 

[Thighsofsteel]

Best of luck with this new venture.

 

[Lopsided]

Erin's measurement of the C6B had the same change post 16k.

The Revel M16 and F35 are a good examples of what i’m talking about. But it doesn’t matter too much. Just curious why Amir’s result seemed to have more of a VHF depression.

 

[Mihalis]

“Show me the incentive and I ll show you the outcome.”
Having said that, is there any science that isn’t biased by financial and other incentives? This seems benign and the disclosure is all one can hope for. All in all ASR has been an eye opener and if this allows it to continue, so be it. Otherwise people should prepare to pay a $50 monthly subscription.

 

[Bruce Morgen]

“Show me the incentive and I ll show you the outcome.”
Pity.

An oversimplification -- everything hinges on the individual's response to "the incentive," doesn't it? That's where personal ethics come into play, and Amir has shown himself to be steadfastly ethical AFAICT.

The Biblical phrase, "Lead us not into temptation.." comes to mind here.

 

[Mihalis]

The accusation that I am biased exists currently and strongly so from naysayers outside the forum. As soon as I go and say something, this comes up, all the way to claiming I have financial dealings with Chinese companies. I realize this may increase some but as someone said, the people complaining have no intention to be in our camp whether this is a a fact or not.

As to testing gear, you all and companies decide what I test. You and them send me stuff and I test them. It is one in a thousand chance that I go and seek out products to test.

Note that I have made no commitment to sainthood. I have done my best to be above board for nearly a decade, refusing countless offers to turn on advertising, sponsorships, etc. This is the best I can do to keep our impartiality. Asking me to do more when others are not remotely in the same place seems out of line. Which other reviewer you go to that runs a completely non-monetary operation?

So sure, if you are unhappy and want to leave, not read my reviews, etc., that is fine and is something I figured would happen.

An oversimplification -- everything hinges on the individual's response to "the incentive," doesn't it? That's where personal ethics come into play, and Amir has shown himself to be steadfastly ethical AFAICT.

The Biblical phrase, "Lead us not into temptation.." comes to mind here.

Maybe we don’t disagree. Incentives are so powerful that they are determinative. What you call personal ethics, or let’s say character, is also an incentive. There is zero doubt that a reviewer adding distribution of products is not good for us. But we were getting too good a deal receiving someone else’s work for free (which is why I did contribute sometimes). Either there will be ads, or subscription costs or this. Still a great deal for us.

 

[Fidji]

Value of ASR is since quite some time Forum and its members - actually ASR and AVSForum are two places if I want to get some advice/share some experience.

I do not care that much about Amir’s reviews of another 1.000.000dB SINAD DAC or something similar. So not issue with Amir acting as a dealer, accepting partnerships, getting paid for reviews etc. Also I can correlate his subjective observations to mine and here I know, I have different preferences, so do not put too much value into his recommendations for speakers [for the record - I am much more in sync with Erin]

 

[prestigetone]

[for the record - I am much more in sync with Erin]

I hope this means we can post Erin’s video reviews again? If he’s reviewing Ascilab which he has I think then it would go a long way in giving a full picture and providing objectivity.

 

[Bruce Morgen]

I hope this means we can post Erin’s video reviews again? If he’s reviewing Ascilab which he has I think then it would go a long way in giving a full picture and providing objectivity.

It's always been OK for a user to link to Erin's reviews -- the issue was Erin himself using ASR to promote his website.

 

[Kal Rubinson]

As I and others have mentioned, publishing hard data still makes reviews useful even if you assume all commentary is compromised and biased. For anyone with the ability to read them, graphs >>> panthers.

Or, perhaps, just publish the data without analysis or comment.

 

[prestigetone]

It's always been OK for a user to link to Erin's reviews -- the issue was Erin himself using ASR to promote his website.

There was a time where it wasn’t allowed I thought.

 

[Robbo99999]

I think this is great news @amirm. I'm looking forward to a larger model capable of low distortion at higher SPL. I have a feeling, and hope, there will be active versions on the roadmap too.

If they come up with some excellent active versions I may consider replacing my JBL 308p speakers, I may being the operative word - they'd have to be significantly better, and to be better it'd have to be on the distortion & power capability side which I don't exercise that much with the 308's so it would be just a maybe from me, but I'd be interested to see some competitive options in the active version area.

 

[kemmler3D]

Or, perhaps, just publish the data without analysis or comment.

Wouldn't hurt in terms of credibility of individual reviews. And would probably be fine because the membership always swoops in to offer their take on the graphs anyway.

but if I wanted to undermine Amir's reputation, I would just claim there are XYZ speakers that are considered better than ones he's reviewing or selling, and he's sandbagging by not reviewing them, or delaying reviews based on the Ascilab review schedule, or whatever. There are always more speakers than time to review them, after all.

Like most marketers, I don't typically do overtly negative messaging, but I do think up stuff like this and then try to put a positive spin on it. It's one angle a speaker brand could use to defend their stuff against the objectively awesome performance Ascilab has. Just seed some doubt - the performance only looks that good because the really good speakers haven't been tested yet...

So a set of impartial criteria laying out how speakers make it onto the scanner, and in what order, might help with that.

Anyway I don't know if it's worth doing, of course there are people who will invent reasons for doubt even if none exist, you have to call it somewhere.

 

[artishard116]

Forgive me if this has been answered elsewhere, but do they have any powered/active designs in the pipeline?

 

[mac]

If they come up with some excellent active versions I may consider replacing my JBL 308p speakers, I may being the operative word - they'd have to be significantly better, and to be better it'd have to be on the distortion & power capability side which I don't exercise that much with the 308's so it would be just a maybe from me, but I'd be interested to see some competitive options in the active version area.

The 708p ranks in the top three speakers I've lived with. If a future Ascilab model could rival them I'd consider buying a pair.

 

[PristineSound]

I assume the reason why some members have the badge of "industry insider", "dealer" or "audio company" is to ensure transparency.

While you are very transparent with your business interests as long as you have ran ASR, I don't believe it's unreasonable to add the badges, especially you now have the exclusive rights of selling one of the hottest new comers to the industry in North America, which is arguably the largest market.

The badge frankly ain't a big deal, but it shows good will with all the naysayers here. For me personally, it wouldn't matter, because I never solely go by any reviewers' recommendations or dis-recommendations.

 

[mac]

Forgive me if this has been answered elsewhere, but do they have any powered/active designs in the pipeline?

Apparently so and priced accordingly.

 

[xanalog]

Or, perhaps, just publish the data without analysis or comment.

The reader always has the choice to not read or skip-over them.
How can I whine; if/when 'data publishing' becomes the domain of AI.