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Audionaut
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I'm not assuming anything, but sharing research findings on a topic.
The possibility of countermeasures is in the last paragraph. Whether these are used is entirely up to the valued seller.
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Great summary. Are you in this field? It reminds me of the study where wine prices changed people's preferences. My whole point is the bias is unavoidable. TIL
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I'm getting a bit sick of reading all this stuff, people have already had their say at this point in time, we're going around in circles. Let's just knock it on the head, it's not like the naysayers are gonna be convinced, they just have to suck it up after they've written their dissent or concerns now at least once or twice or more.
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You do realize it would have all been put to bed had Amir simply responded with "I hear everyone's concerns and we are taking them into account. We will be doing xyz to make sure ASR stays just as it is. Of course all posts moving forward will be in the dealers forum per the site's rules." That's diplomacy at work. Everyone would go about their day.
I'm not a naysayer. I believe in AsciLab. I think their offerings are great.
Here is my first post on this thread
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This is his answer to you and others:
Mostly summarized here: https://audiosciencereview.com/foru...collaboration-with-ascilab.63670/post-2336587
And further amended and clarify here:
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Well, and there I see the problem. I believe you’re missing the core of the concern. I am not missing anything. But maybe you are. When I was at Microsoft, Bill Gates had a passion about digital media so we would have roughly yearly reviews in front of him. Invariably, Bill would ask for a...
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New Collaboration with Ascilab!
Well, and there I see the problem. I believe you’re missing the core of the concern. I am not missing anything. But maybe you are. When I was at Microsoft, Bill Gates had a passion about digital media so we would have roughly yearly reviews in front of him. Invariably, Bill would ask for a...
www.audiosciencereview.com
New Collaboration with Ascilab!
Well, and there I see the problem. I believe you’re missing the core of the concern. I am not missing anything. But maybe you are. When I was at Microsoft, Bill Gates had a passion about digital media so we would have roughly yearly reviews in front of him. Invariably, Bill would ask for a...
www.audiosciencereview.com
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Sure, I don’t trust stereophile reviews either, but even it hasn’t crossed the line of actually selling products that compete with products it reviews. Have you seen a bad review in stereophile? If you have, was it from a prominent advertiser? Never seen one. They accept money direct from...
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The decision is already made and all possible fate has been accepted. To help you move on, understand that all consumers are accountable for their own purchasing decision, don't blame it on reviewer, just be cognizant of all the commercial relationships influencer has and do your own research and own up to your decision. That's that and move on.
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I'd moved on, but I want to address you since you've responded to me.This is his answer to you and others:
Mostly summarized here: https://audiosciencereview.com/foru...collaboration-with-ascilab.63670/post-2336587
And further amended and clarify here:
New Collaboration with Ascilab!
Well, and there I see the problem. I believe you’re missing the core of the concern. I am not missing anything. But maybe you are. When I was at Microsoft, Bill Gates had a passion about digital media so we would have roughly yearly reviews in front of him. Invariably, Bill would ask for a...New Collaboration with Ascilab!
Well, and there I see the problem. I believe you’re missing the core of the concern. I am not missing anything. But maybe you are. When I was at Microsoft, Bill Gates had a passion about digital media so we would have roughly yearly reviews in front of him. Invariably, Bill would ask for a...New Collaboration with Ascilab!
Well, and there I see the problem. I believe you’re missing the core of the concern. I am not missing anything. But maybe you are. When I was at Microsoft, Bill Gates had a passion about digital media so we would have roughly yearly reviews in front of him. Invariably, Bill would ask for a...New Collaboration with Ascilab!
Sure, I don’t trust stereophile reviews either, but even it hasn’t crossed the line of actually selling products that compete with products it reviews. Have you seen a bad review in stereophile? If you have, was it from a prominent advertiser? Never seen one. They accept money direct from...
The decision is already made and all possible fate has been accepted. To help you move on, understand that all consumers are accountable for their own purchasing decision, don't blame it on reviewer, just be cognizant of all the commercial relationships influencer has and do your own research and own up to your decision. That's that and move on.
Where does it answer my question of why these posts shouldn't be in the dealers section along with others? I also think it's shortsighted to run a business that way. Telling anonymous forum audio nerds to fall in line, fine that's his prerogative, but to tell customers take it or leave it without any consideration or mention of "we hear you," doesn't sit well with me. You have to remember I am no longer just a forum member I am also a customer. You can't treat customers like you would forum members you disagree with, or I guess you can but then you lose out on business rather than being diplomatic. Heck I am not even asking for him to change policy. I, and I would assume others, simply want the same rules to be applied to him that apply to others, along with him even acknowledging what people are requesting on both sides of this argument.
Audionaut
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For a long time, I was mainly involved in practice and research, linking qualitative data (human emotions, pain perception, mental health) with quantitative data for the development of therapies and medication.
What I have written here was more of a side aspect of this work.
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Fascinating. It's good to know.
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Again, all in this post: https://audiosciencereview.com/foru...collaboration-with-ascilab.63670/post-2336587
Read it carefully, word for word and if you still don't have your answer, PM me and I will attempt to explain it to you. But it is crystal clear to me.
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Said goal will not happen with you posting AI generated text. If you have real research that says why someone like me has to forever be corrupted by money, let's see it. Otherwise I suggest you broaden your horizon that not all humans are dominated by desire for more wealth.
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He wasn’t even saying that any of that applied to you.
You’re accusing someone of faking their own words in the same sentence where you state that it’s not possible for you to do anything bad and people shouldn’t accuse you of any impropriety.
Looking at @Audionaut and his posts. He seems pretty smart and capable of writing something about general human tendencies to me.
edit: No way of knowing whether its AI 100%. I've written things and had AI clean up the text, but that doesn't mean it changed my written message. It still stands that none of that was applied to you. It was a science based look at human behavior.
edit 2: I stand corrected and it does look like he used AI but still would be good to let him explain why or how.
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Please forgive my poor English.
Thank you, Amirm, for founding and maintaining ASR and even reviewing the product. Respect and appreciation.
I also support and congratulate you on your new decision to start business with Acsilab.
In my opinion.
Forum owner can make the rules for the forum. (Or maybe there is some specific procedure for making the forum rules?)
Moderators manage the forum according to the rules.
ASR can participate if they agree to the "Terms and rules." Forum owners and moderators should also be able to participate without any problems (probably).
Forum participants are obligated to abide by the Terms and rules.
If Amirm has a vested interest in Ascilab, I think this thread and the Ascilab survey thread should have been posted in the "Desperate Dealers Forum", even though it's a bit complicated.
What about future reviews of Ascilab products? If you post one in review forum, will it violate the forum rules?
The owner can add rules that give special treatment to Ascilab. Or they can abolish the "dealer rule" altogether. That way, even dealers can post Ascilab products elsewhere.
On the other hand, I feel that if unfair treatment of each manufacturer occurs, the great advantage of ASR will be lost.
Short summary:
- I want the rules to be applied fairly.
- I want manufacturers to be treated fairly.
Thank you, Amirm, for founding and maintaining ASR and even reviewing the product. Respect and appreciation.
I also support and congratulate you on your new decision to start business with Acsilab.
In my opinion.
Forum owner can make the rules for the forum. (Or maybe there is some specific procedure for making the forum rules?)
Moderators manage the forum according to the rules.
ASR can participate if they agree to the "Terms and rules." Forum owners and moderators should also be able to participate without any problems (probably).
Forum participants are obligated to abide by the Terms and rules.
If Amirm has a vested interest in Ascilab, I think this thread and the Ascilab survey thread should have been posted in the "Desperate Dealers Forum", even though it's a bit complicated.
What about future reviews of Ascilab products? If you post one in review forum, will it violate the forum rules?
The owner can add rules that give special treatment to Ascilab. Or they can abolish the "dealer rule" altogether. That way, even dealers can post Ascilab products elsewhere.
On the other hand, I feel that if unfair treatment of each manufacturer occurs, the great advantage of ASR will be lost.
Short summary:
- I want the rules to be applied fairly.
- I want manufacturers to be treated fairly.
His post was excellent, and I don't think it was directed at you.
All science carries bias, no matter how sincerely someone believes they're not susceptible to it. It's human nature to have some bias, and a fundamental part of of science is to identify and acknowledge the effects bias may have on any body of evidence.
If this forum is supposed to represent objectivity in sound reproduction and how we experience high fidelity music reproduction. All bias should be acknowledged and efforts to counteract it should be stated.
Without this we continue to give HiFi subjectivists more evidence that we are not what we say we are.
This was not AI generated, but you could probably already tell
How exactly can AsciLAB become a victim?
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I imagine the other member feels that this whole ridiculously overblown discussion may taint potential customers who will avoid buying Ascilab. I don't think that will happen in any meaningful way, but it is a possibility that some people will react negatively towards the brand.
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Anything other than the technical aspects should be irrelevant, that's why.
There's a reason why good marketing schools are so expensive and there's a reason why we keep engineers, owners, etc far and away from them (marketing dept) in order to do what they know best.
Keeping it strictly professional (to each one's field) is not the worst idea.
Have AsciLAB published anything other than technical specifications and measurements?
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