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The next critical step for us is determining which models to carry. Much appreciate anyone seriously considering one to answer the poll here: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...ascilab-speakers-are-you-interested-in.63737/

Thank you! :)

Those are the models I would be least interested in

What, so if there are models that you don't carry, then does that mean, North American consumers won't be able to buy it, not even direct from Ascilab?

I'd like an answer to this too. Doesn't make any sense if you can't get every model available.
 
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What, so if there are models that you don't carry, then does that mean, North American consumers won't be able to buy it, not even direct from Ascilab?
If you are seriously considering buying one, then vote in the poll and product will be available to you. If not, I suspect there will be a large backlog so you won't get one regardless who you go to.
 
If you are seriously considering buying one, then vote in the poll and product will be available to you. If not, I suspect there will be a large backlog so you won't get one regardless who you go to.

I have no interest in any of the current models available on the Ascilab website, but I am looking forward to future models, hence I am asking will you be carrying all the models. But I think you answer my question, it appears you're just gauging how big of an order you are looking to place.

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I have no interest in any of the current models available on the Ascilab website, but I am looking forward to future models, hence I am asking will you be carrying all the models. But I think you answer my question, it appears you're just gauging how big of an order you are looking to place.
Correct. We are placing a good sized order now, and a much larger one after that. The second order will have the new models if they are available then. I will probably post a poll in time for that to see what people want but in all cases, we will get everything they are producing.
 
The next critical step for us is determining which models to carry. Much appreciate anyone seriously considering one to answer the poll here: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...ascilab-speakers-are-you-interested-in.63737/
Just to be crystal clear here: such a poll is also something you would let other companies on the forum do, right? I know others have already done comparable polls in the past (I think Douk Audio did several), so the answer is probably: yes :) I the interest of transparency and the appearance of conflicts of interest, it would be good to clarify, though.
 
Erin did this for a while, urging people to look on his YouTube account for subjective impressions, but I didn't like that. I do appreciate his basic subjective impressions as he often seems to listen to similar music to myself (Amir doesn't) and to me anyway, basic subjective feelings, explained purely as that, are utterly appropriate to kind-of add to the data presented (the Klippel testing has shown not to lie).
Yeah, there's gotta be some subjective comments in reviews, totally agree!
 
Just to be crystal clear here: such a poll is also something you would let other companies on the forum do, right? I know others have already done comparable polls in the past (I think Douk Audio did several), so the answer is probably: yes :) I the interest of transparency and the appearance of conflicts of interest, it would be good to clarify, though.
If they have done as much for ASR as I have, sure.
 
I think it is ridiculous for people to suggest that this appropriate arrangement is at all problematic and cause for concern. Amirm has been completely transparent now and always in the community.

I have absolutely zero concern that this business arrangement will have any impact on his neutrality. If anything, it will result in him being more stringent in his testing of Ascilab offerings.

Congratulations Amirm. I wish you great success in this endeavor.
 
I wish everyone involved the best of luck as Ascilab distributors.

For the ASR forum, however, in my opinion it also means a shift in objectivity towards an advertising forum for Ascilab, as can already be seen from the accumulation of threads about these loudspeakers.

Yes, of course, nobody is forcing anyone to read and write here, Amir has already mentioned this several times elsewhere, which for me is actually just confirmation of the thesis that sales and objective assessment at the same time are not possible, no matter how much objectivity you try to achieve.

Does it bother me? No, not really, but in my internal evaluation system it shifts the ASR brand from "strives to work scientifically" to "strives to justify Ascilab sales scientifically".
 
I wish everyone involved the best of luck as Ascilab distributors.

For the ASR forum, however, in my opinion it also means a shift in objectivity towards an advertising forum for Ascilab, as can already be seen from the accumulation of threads about these loudspeakers.

Yes, of course, nobody is forcing anyone to read and write here, Amir has already mentioned this several times elsewhere, which for me is actually just confirmation of the thesis that sales and objective assessment at the same time are not possible, no matter how much objectivity you try to achieve.

Does it bother me? No, not really, but in my internal evaluation system it shifts the ASR brand from "strives to work scientifically" to "strives to justify Ascilab sales scientifically".
That is just nonsense. Considering loudspeakers make up a small proportion of the reviews on this site. I doubt that is going to change.
 
If they have done as much for ASR as I have, sure.
Well, and there I see the problem. I believe you’re missing the core of the concern.

This isn’t about your personal integrity, your past contributions to ASR, or whether other reviewers are worse. It’s about structural independence and perceived impartiality, not your intentions.

You’ve stated that you’ve “done more than anyone else” to remain above bias. That may be true regarding ads, sponsorships, and affiliate links. But you’ve now entered a commercial partnership where you financially benefit from the success of a specific brand that is also reviewed, discussed, and promoted on a platform you founded and control. That inherently changes the playing field.

Yes, ASR has hosted reviews of products from your other company before. But those were limited, isolated cases that clearly remained incidental to the platform’s broader mission. This new venture is qualitatively different: you’re not just reviewing a product, you’re building a distribution business, using ASR to gauge demand, raise visibility, and ultimately drive commercial traction.

You’ve also said this is a financial risk. That’s fair, but it’s exactly why ASR’s role becomes problematic. Leveraging ASR’s reach to reduce that risk creates a powerful incentive to use the platform as a marketing engine, even if unintentionally. And that incentive conflicts directly with ASR’s role as a neutral review space.

This isn’t primarily about reviews. It’s about how ASR is being potentially used to launch and promote a commercial venture, which shifts its role from neutral platform to potential business amplifier. That change matters, and simply insisting it doesn’t won’t undo it.

You can’t mitigate this by pointing out flaws in other reviewers or reminding us of your past choices. Ethics isn’t a race to the bottom. Nor is it about whether you’re a good person or not. It’s about maintaining a clear separation between editorial authority and business interest, especially in a community built on data, transparency, and skepticism.

Even taking a few concrete steps, like establishing a clear boundary between ASR’s editorial space and commercial announcements, would go a long way toward showing that you take these concerns seriously.
 
Just a thought: Why not create an own forum based on such, excusez le mot, hypermoral stance, and see how it works out?
What I see is the "NGO way" = trying to force others to do what you want, as a small but loud minority.
Maybe I'm wrong (I hope I'm wrong, actually), but that's what it increasingly looks like.
 
Just a thought: Why not create an own forum based on such, excusez le mot, hypermoral stance, and see how it works out?
What I see is the "NGO way" = trying to force others to do what you want.
Maybe I'm wrong (I hope I'm wrong, actually), but that's what it increasingly looks like.
I’m simply stating a concern. Anyone’s free to disagree or ignore it. I don’t hold any power here, and suggesting otherwise is just deflection.
 
I’m simply stating a concern. Anyone’s free to disagree or ignore it. I don’t hold any power here, and suggesting otherwise is just deflection.
OK, though I don't know from what I allegedly "deflect".
Stating a concern is your legitimate right, but what's the point of doing it over and over again?
 
I wish the new venture well....

I expect Amir to review AsciLab-branded loudspeakers as they become available to purchase and wonder if this will leave him with less time to measure other loudspeakers ?
 
I wish the new venture well....

I expect Amir to review AsciLab-branded loudspeakers as they become available to purchase and wonder if this will leave him with less time to measure other loudspeakers ?
They aren't like SMSL or Topping coming out with new devices constantly. I have little doubt that he will be able to allocate his time appropriately and fairly.
 
If they have done as much for ASR as I have, sure.
Hi @amirm , everyone loves you here and is deeply grateful to what you have done and will be doing for the audio industry. I have a poster of you in my bedroom just nearby superman and martin luther king.

It's just a plain and simple "tagging" exercise:
- when you are doing reviews, nobody will doubt about your impartiality as long as they are "tagged" as reviews of the forum
- when you are doing marketing activities for your Ascilab distribution company, you are a Desperate Dealer such as @Purité Audio, which is a highly regarded contributor, but we know has perfectly legitimate economic interests when speaking from Desperate Dealers forum. And I assume a post in Desperate Dealer should be promoted to home page in very exceptional cases

I think with proper tagging, everyone will make clear from which "role" you are speaking from, as either audio science reviewer or dealer. And i will have two posters of you in my bedroom, one near superman, a hero for all humanity, the other near Adriano Olivetti, an enlighted business man
 
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