New Børresen M6 flagship speakers

[RayDunzl]

Maybe there's a fine line between bashing and expressively emoting incredulity.

 

[fpitas]

Maybe there's a fine line between bashing and expressively emoting incredulity.

Yes; and us soulless engineers will never appreciate the other uhm, virtues that make it worth buckets of cash.

 

[delta76]

Sure. If I pay a bunch I expect stellar performance.

not unless you spend another 500k$ for equipment https://www.stereophile.com/content/børresen-loudspeakers-major-world-premiere .
shipping not included

in a way, I'm glad that all these BS are so overpriced. It is meant for billionaires (or high multi millionaires), who will still be well of after throwing away $1M. If it was 50k$ then some poor souls might get bankrupt trying to buy them. (I know, it's their fault, but the snake oil industry/community are too blame to)

 

[JayGilb]

Everyone here is bashing the speaker, I also agree to some degree some none sense might be going on here and there and it is definitely not a price performance speaker but there is also a lot of solid research and innovation going on.
Please read this article (auto translated from German) https://www-lowbeats-de.translate.g...l=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
The article is from 2019 and to my knowledge the newer speakers are also another bit more advanced. So sputtering a membrane building a driver part by part with potentially better solutions is surely expensive. You might be right that some parts wouldn't make the sound better, but you also got very good reviews from a lot of people who wouldn't do a review if the speakers aren't good. Here at ASR a lot of people think they know everything better so a lot of high end speakers get bashed right away and not a single one listend or measured that speaker and draws his bashing from this. So please stop that. Being skeptical is great but you also have to give everything a fair chance otherwise you become the angry old man who yells at everything that is new.

That article was just another puff piece from an audio magazine. A few minutes of research show they are probably just another snake oil audio company. Snake oil companies can make quality devices, but they make unsupported claims and charge outrageous prices for their equipment. $12k USD speaker cables and lots of talk about cryogenically treated components raise my hackles and make me suspicious.

 

[fpitas]

It is meant for billionaires (or high multi millionaires),

You're probably right. Although the ones I know demand some kind of value for their money.

 

[fpitas]

$12k USD speaker cables and lots of talk about cryogenically treated components raise my hackles and make me suspicious.

Rightly so

 

[test1223]

That article was just another puff piece from an audio magazine. A few minutes of research show they are probably just another snake oil audio company. Snake oil companies can make quality devices, but they make unsupported claims and charge outrageous prices for their equipment. $12k USD speaker cables and lots of talk about cryogenically treated components raise my hackles and make me suspicious.

Yes there is some none sense, but you cherry pick this over some very good solutions like the good driver motor design of the speakers and many other stuff.

 

[Martin]

I've heard their little brother, or is it sister, the 01 at several audio shows.

Each and every time I found the sound completely mesmerizing with bass that belies their small size. I still swear to this day they had a subwoofer hidden somewhere in their room. Given the charlatans from Audio Group Denmark running the demos I would not have put it past them to do so. Their prices are stratospheric.

Martin

 

[fpitas]

good driver motor design of the speakers

Once you force a poor defenseless 4.5" driver to high excursions, the best motor design can't compensate for the Doppler distortion.

 

[test1223]

Once you force a poor defenseless 4.5" driver to high excursions, the best motor design can't compensate for the Doppler distortion.

This is obviously right but I don't think the design goal was to achieve high spl with these speakers in the first place.

 

[fpitas]

This is obviously right but I don't think the design goal was to achieve high spl with these speakers in the first place.

Perhaps. I can't imagine them as near-field, or used in a tiny room though.

 

[JayGilb]

Yes there is some none sense, but you cherry pick this over some very good solutions like the good driver motor design of the speakers and many other stuff.

If you have sell just one snake oil product, you are a snake oil company.

 

[test1223]

If you have sell just one snake oil product, you are a snake oil company.

There are a lot of serious loudspeaker brands which use "better cables" in there top line speakers that doesn't destroy the performance of that speaker even if it is none sense.

 

[Pearljam5000]

Everyone here is bashing the speaker, I also agree to some degree some none sense might be going on here and there and it is definitely not a price performance speaker but there is also a lot of solid research and innovation going on.
Please read this article (auto translated from German) https://www-lowbeats-de.translate.g...l=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
The article is from 2019 and to my knowledge the newer speakers are also another bit more advanced. So sputtering a membrane building a driver part by part with potentially better solutions is surely expensive. You might be right that some parts wouldn't make the sound better, but you also got very good reviews from a lot of people who wouldn't do a review if the speakers aren't good. Here at ASR a lot of people think they know everything better so a lot of high end speakers get bashed right away and not a single one listend or measured that speaker and draws his bashing from this. So please stop that. Being skeptical is great but you also have to give everything a fair chance otherwise you become the angry old man who yells at everything that is new.

Here he explains all the tech in it

 

[fpitas]

Maybe you're obliged to use a subwoofer or three with them? I'm afraid to ask what those cost.

 

[test1223]

Here he explains all the tech in it

Haha rise time equals resolution and the interviewer laughs/ coughs because this isn't true, but none of the less getting rid of iron in the driver is a very good move to decrease nonlinear behavior.

 

[test1223]

My take of the audio industry is, that a lot of people don't understand much of the theory, but are dedicated with trial and error and get sometimes very good results much better than results which you can obtain by using theory only. They don't have the right theoretical explanation for it everything and often fall for some biases with none blind testing but some results are simply very good.

 

[Deleted member 48726]

My take of the audio industry is, that a lot of people don't understand much of the theory, but are dedicated with trial and error and get sometimes very good results much better than results which you can obtain by using theory only. They don't have the right theoretical explanation for it everything and often fall for some biases with none blind testing but some results are simply very good.

I think you are right and it explains many products and the marketing for them.

 

[Killingbeans]

You might be right that some parts wouldn't make the sound better, but you also got very good reviews from a lot of people who wouldn't do a review if the speakers aren't good.

That's the only part I'm personally bashing. The silly voodoo components and the "treatments".

The design aspects that really make a difference have hopefully been allocated just as many resources as the nonsense.

Even if they haven't, the speaker probably sounds perfectly fine to most people. It's not difficult to design a speaker that impresses immensely in an isolated listening session. The hard part is to design something that doesn't fall apart when directly A/B compared to something vastly better.

Good reviews? Most reviewers will gladly accept any product that keeps the ad revenue flowing, and the higher the price tag, the more likely it is to be described as the best thing since shredded cheese, regardless of performance.

It's possibly a good speaker, but the haphazard embrace of garbage pseudo science makes my respect for their skills shrivel to nothing.

 

[fpitas]

Good reviews? Most reviewers will gladly accept any product that keeps the ad revenue flowing, and the higher the price tag, the more likely it is to be described as the best thing since shredded cheese, regardless of performance.

So cynical. I mean, you're right, but still