Neumann KH80 + KH750 MA1 room tune issues

[Phunkfarm Studios]

So I just went trough the painstaking process of tuning my room and got the setting saved.

I then proceeded to do a few mixes to see how well I was translating to the new room tune. Without fail, My mixes always translate badly in that on other systems, the kick and bass are far too hot on other systems although they sound awesome in my tuned lab. The other aspects of my mixes are fantastic so I do appreciate what the overall tune has done to the overall sound.

The way I see it at this point is do try a few things:

1. Manually increase my sub level (on back of unit from the recommended 100 to 108 or 114) so I can then subliminally back off the lows in my mixes. (not sure if the gain switch positions are overridden when in network mode). There is also a potentiometer gain knob next to the gain switches that may be active in network mode if the switches aren't.
2. retune the room and add in bass in the parametric eq settings provided after the process. Remix some more material and play around until I get better translations.
3. (least favorite option) Create a global eq that I manually switch on when I bounce my Logic sequence to wav after I mix in order to compensate for translations. This seems to defeat the point of having such expensive monitors.

As of now, I opened the MA1 software and without the cat 5 cables attached, I cant seem to find the section of the sw where I can again access the parametric eq for my setting. It appears that section is only available after a tuning...Can this be correct? Try it yourself but all I get are my three speakers "aren't found" and then I cant seem to move any further.

It's mind boggling to me that adding a subwoofer could make my mixes translate hot in the low frequencies elsewhere.... Seems totally ass backwards as my car - for instance doesn't even have a sub.

Help!

 

[dedobot]

Isn't it possible that the error is in the "other systems" ? How is on headphones?

 

[Phunkfarm Studios]

Isn't it possible that the error is in the "other systems" ? How is on headphones?

Thanks for responding.

Well with that logic, All material played in my car world be off as well. If I can listen to my Spotify playlist for hours in my car without making eq adjustments, then I would want my mixes to blend in to that material in a way that isn't jarring to the ear.

I'm the problem.

In terms of headphones, the issue isn't cut and dry enough to stop my mix from proceeding to the car. I do cross reference in phones but powerful low frequencies aren't exaggerated in flat headphones to the point where I can say oh wait, let me lower them because headphones aren't critical enough in the low end to make that stop gap adjustment. This is why mixing in headphones has always been a bad idea.

Im trying to mix to the similar music I hear elsewhere....

 

[kyuu]

I'm not following your logic. If you cut the bass on the system you're using for mixing, it seems to me like you'd want to mix the bass hotter to compensate.

 

[Phunkfarm Studios]

I'm not following your logic. If you cut the bass on the system you're using for mixing, it seems to me like you'd want to mix the bass hotter to compensate.

My logic is that if I gently turn up the bass gain on my sub, I'll hear more bass in my system, therefore I'll compensate this by lowering the bass in my mixes without losing the other tunings the MA1 has done for my room overall... Pretty straight forward.

 

[dedobot]

Thanks for responding.

Well with that logic, All material played in my car world be off as well. If I can listen to my Spotify playlist for hours in my car without making eq adjustments, then I would want my mixes to blend in to that material in a way that isn't jarring to the ear.

I'm the problem.

In terms of headphones, the issue isn't cut and dry enough to stop my mix from proceeding to the car. I do cross reference in phones but powerful low frequencies aren't exaggerated in flat headphones to the point where I can say oh wait, let me lower them because headphones aren't critical enough in the low end to make that stop gap adjustment. This is why mixing in headphones has always been a bad idea.

Im trying to mix to the similar music I hear elsewhere....

But Spotify is lossy. Some times lossy compressed music sounds better on mediocre sys than a red book pcm. Especially electronic/sampled stuff . Don't know why but it is not suitable for comparison.
p.s.
"better" subjectively , not literally

 

[kyuu]

My logic is that if I gently turn up the bass gain on my sub, I'll hear more bass in my system, therefore I'll compensate this by lowering the bass in my mixes without losing the other tunings the MA1 has done for my room overall... Pretty straight forward.

Oh sorry, I misread. You said "cut up" the bass level and my brain just focused on the "cut" part, so I thought you were saying you'd turn the bass down. Nevermind, carry on.

 

[Phunkfarm Studios]

Oh sorry, I misread. You said "cut up" the bass level and my brain just focused on the "cut" part, so I thought you were saying you'd turn the bass down. Nevermind, carry on.

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