DinerBreakfast
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Hi All,
I've been lurking for a while, but this is my first post. Thanks for all that you've taught me along the way.
I've always wanted to record and mix my own music, but I'm finally in a position to do so. Like many home studios, I have to work with the space I have. It's a 12 ft x 12 ft (3.66 m x 3.66 m) room with a small hallway/doorway leading into it (so kind of L-shaped, or a square with a much smaller square attached to one corner, if that makes sense).
I plan on doing some thorough acoustic treatment, but from the research I've done, it is apparently a good idea to get speakers before beginning treatment (to help identify the best listening position, etc. before installing treatment).
I'm currently leaning towards either the Neumann KH310 + two KH750 subs or the Genelec 8331a + two 7350a subs.
Given the small size of the room and the fact that I want the most accurate system I can afford (because I'll be using this to mix), I'm thinking I'll probably end up with a very small equilateral triangle for my speaker placement (just guessing here, but let's say something around 3 ft or 1 m).
I love all types of music, but primarily plan on recording/mixing rock. The caveat is that I'm tuned down to B0, so the low string on my bass goes down to about 30 or 31 Hz. I know that low end in small rooms can be challenging. I don't actually expect this music to be particularly bass heavy (so not like EDM or hip hop, for instance). But, I do want a system that's capable of recreating those low frequencies and accurately informing my mix decisions.
It seems like this forum has a lot of love for the KH310 (I've read all 60+ pages of the review for these). In general, you folks also seem to like Genelecs, and although not done by Amir, I've seen some favorable reviews of the 8331a, in particular.
Given the space I have to work with, and my goal of using these to mix, are there any major pros or cons to either of these choices?
Some general questions/observations I have between these two options:
And are there any other systems in this general price range (say around $10,000) that can produce equivalent low frequency content but have some other advantage over the Neumanns or Genelecs? At the risk of redundancy, I'm wanting to mix in a small room, so extreme near field accuracy is more important to me than getting particularly loud or being an "exciting" system to listen to.
As I mentioned, I've always had an interest in mixing my own music, but I'm just now in a position to do it, so I have a lot to learn. My apologies if these are overly newbie questions, or if I should have posted this in a different part of the forum. Thanks in advance for any knowledge or opinions that you can share.
I've been lurking for a while, but this is my first post. Thanks for all that you've taught me along the way.
I've always wanted to record and mix my own music, but I'm finally in a position to do so. Like many home studios, I have to work with the space I have. It's a 12 ft x 12 ft (3.66 m x 3.66 m) room with a small hallway/doorway leading into it (so kind of L-shaped, or a square with a much smaller square attached to one corner, if that makes sense).
I plan on doing some thorough acoustic treatment, but from the research I've done, it is apparently a good idea to get speakers before beginning treatment (to help identify the best listening position, etc. before installing treatment).
I'm currently leaning towards either the Neumann KH310 + two KH750 subs or the Genelec 8331a + two 7350a subs.
Given the small size of the room and the fact that I want the most accurate system I can afford (because I'll be using this to mix), I'm thinking I'll probably end up with a very small equilateral triangle for my speaker placement (just guessing here, but let's say something around 3 ft or 1 m).
I love all types of music, but primarily plan on recording/mixing rock. The caveat is that I'm tuned down to B0, so the low string on my bass goes down to about 30 or 31 Hz. I know that low end in small rooms can be challenging. I don't actually expect this music to be particularly bass heavy (so not like EDM or hip hop, for instance). But, I do want a system that's capable of recreating those low frequencies and accurately informing my mix decisions.
It seems like this forum has a lot of love for the KH310 (I've read all 60+ pages of the review for these). In general, you folks also seem to like Genelecs, and although not done by Amir, I've seen some favorable reviews of the 8331a, in particular.
Given the space I have to work with, and my goal of using these to mix, are there any major pros or cons to either of these choices?
Some general questions/observations I have between these two options:
- I'm drawn to the sealed design of the Neumanns, whereas the rear porting on the Genelecs makes me a tad nervous because my hunch is that the room's sweet spot might lead me to put the speakers pretty darn close to the front wall. Am I right to think that putting a rear ported speaker very close to a wall is foolish, and thus, the Genelecs might not be the best choice for me?
- I've read that the Neumanns tend to have some strange bass response in cold rooms (I believe this was noted in a 58 degree F / 14.44 degree C room). The room that I'm planning to use doesn't have climate control, and in winter, it could be close to that temperature or only a few degrees warmer than that. Should I be concerned?
- I've read some folks say that coaxial designs are great for small rooms. Would that be a strong argument in favor of the Genelecs?
- Apparently a new version of the KH310 is in the works, but I'm not sure when they will actually come out and I'm not sure I want to buy a new (less tested) model. Would it make sense to you to buy a set of KH310s now, knowing that an update is around the corner?
- Does Neumann's MA1 system offer any advantages over what can be achieved with Genelec's approach to room correction and/or aligning the subs with the monitors?
And are there any other systems in this general price range (say around $10,000) that can produce equivalent low frequency content but have some other advantage over the Neumanns or Genelecs? At the risk of redundancy, I'm wanting to mix in a small room, so extreme near field accuracy is more important to me than getting particularly loud or being an "exciting" system to listen to.
As I mentioned, I've always had an interest in mixing my own music, but I'm just now in a position to do it, so I have a lot to learn. My apologies if these are overly newbie questions, or if I should have posted this in a different part of the forum. Thanks in advance for any knowledge or opinions that you can share.