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Neumann KH120 II

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According to this site, the Neumann KH120II uses and 5.5” woofer compared to the 5.25” on the original.


Will need to wait and see if this is correct though.
 

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According to this site, the Neumann KH120II uses and 5.5” woofer compared to the 5.25” on the original.


Will need to wait and see if this is correct though.
I spent a relatively long time trying to match the images of the two boxes based on the size of the logo and the tweeter to figure out the size of the 120 II, but found it difficult to do.
My impression was rather that the new woofer looks a bit smaller than the old one. But you're right, we'll have to wait for more information.
 

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All you can really see from the pictures are the grilles, anyway. They're probably not the best indicator of what's going on with the woofers underneath. Agreed that the new grilles look smaller but that doesn't mean that the cone area of the drivers isn't larger. There are a lot changes going on with the front of the new cabinet.
 

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very cool
Genelec should also improve their 8000 series with new drivers
 

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All you can really see from the pictures are the grilles, anyway. They're probably not the best indicator of what's going on with the woofers underneath. Agreed that the new grilles look smaller but that doesn't mean that the cone area of the drivers isn't larger. There are a lot changes going on with the front of the new cabinet.
You are right, you can only really see the grilles and we cannot see details of the driver itself. But at least with the KH80 and old KH120, the inner "ring" of the grilles matched exactly the diameter of the dustcap of the actual driver. So i assume this will be the case here, too. So i am still confident it is a new driver.
 

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So i am still confident it is a new driver.
I am also confident that their perfectionist chief engineer would not make a new model without updating any of the drivers, similarly as in the past.
 

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Since someone asked earlier, Neumann has the speaker up on their website but images/details are all missing. According to the text they do have up the f3 for it is now 44Hz instead of 52Hz.
Indeed:
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Wow, they only needed to provide a HiFi edition with a wider radiating pattern baffle/waveguide and most speakers were obsolete.
 

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For me the extra oomph of the lower f3 is reason enough for upgrading. Surely is a DSP enhanced bass extension that probably is reduced with higher SPL, like KEF's little sub does, we will see when the graphs come out, but still great nonetheless.
 

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Also tolerance of kh120 is better somehow
Good point.

KH 120 A: +/- 1.0 dB
KH 150: +/- 0.8 dB
KH 80 DSP: +/- 0.7 dB
KH 120 II: +/- 0.5 dB
 
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Further details -> up to 145 W to the 5.25” woofer and 100 W to the 1” tweeter! :oops:
For comparison -> Genelec 8030C/ G3 -> 50 W Bass (Class D) + 50 W Treble (Class D)

NEXT GENERATION MONITORING

The KH 120 II is based on the same concept as its acclaimed predecessor but completely re-engineered for improved performance in all parameters: deeper bass, higher SPL capability and even better resolution. Internal DSP power allows for phase linear crossovers and room adaptive alignment via Neumann’s revolutionary MA 1 Automatic Alignment.

EVEN BETTER

When Neumann released the KH 120 A in 2010, it was the beginning of an ongoing success story. Neumann monitoring has since become the reference of choice in countless studios around the world. The KH 120 II follows the same philosophy as its predecessor and, in fact, all Neumann studio monitors: highest linearity, lowest distortion, no coloration, and perfect adaptability to any acoustic environment. Thanks to improved performance in all parameters and a powerful DSP engine, the KH 120 II enables you to hear your tracks with even greater clarity and work more efficiently. Create mixes that translate optimally to all playback systems. With ease.

PERFECT SOUND WITH A SMALL FOOTPRINT

The KH 120 II has an exceptionally linear frequency response from 44 Hz to 21 kHz (±3 dB). Not only that: It also linearizes the phase response! Which translates to clear mids with astonishing transparency as well as extreme accuracy in the time domain: precise impulse reproduction and finely resolved reverbs. This is made possible by DSP controlled electronics which allow for sophisticated crossovers avoiding the phase distortion caused by analog filters. The internal DSP also realizes new standards in tonal consistency. The KH 120 II is made to extremely low tolerances of no more than ±0.5 dB! And you can hear it, too: Stereo imaging is razor-sharp.
The KH 120 II is designed for nearfield applications with a recommended listening distance of 1 – 2 meters (3 – 6 ft.). It is thus ideally suited to smaller rooms such as home and project studios as well as mixing and editing suites or as a surround speaker in large multichannel applications. Thanks to its outstanding linearity in a portable format, the KH 120 II is also an excellent choice for creating a professional quality makeshift control room when working on location (e.g. orchestra/choir, live recording, film, broadcast).

READY FOR YOUR ROOM

Even the best loudspeaker only sounds as good as the acoustic environment allows. Neumann’s Mathematically Modelled Dispersion™ (MMD™) waveguide guarantees a wide sweet spot and minimizes desk reflections. But the KH 120 II goes much further: Its internal DSP allows for room calibration via Neumann’s revolutionary Automatic Monitor Alignment. MA 1 (sold separately) makes sure your DSP powered monitors are optimally adapted to the character of your room and perfectly aligned for your listening position. Even in acoustically treated rooms, this results in a significant improvement.
Tonal compatibility with other KH line studio monitors makes it possible to use the KH 120 II in mixed setups e.g. in immersive setups. For flexible connectivity the KH 120 II features both analog and S/PDIF inputs.

AES 67 – AUDIO OVER IP

Additionally, the KH 120 II AES67 model variant offers integrated redundant AES67 audio network ports that are fully compliant with broadcast standards such as ST 2110, ST 2022-7 redundancy, and RAVENNA. At the same time, the KH 120 II AES67 is compatible with DANTE®-generated AES67 network streams.

ENERGY EFFICIENT

Neumann engineers took great care to develop a patent pending amplifier technology which combines superior audio performance with the energy efficiency of Class D. Although the power amplifiers of the KH 120 II deliver up to 145 W to the 5.25” woofer and 100 W to the 1” tweeter, they only consume 17 W at idle. Auto-standby reduces power consumption to 0.3 W when the KH 120 II has not been used for a while, but can be deactivated.
The KH 120 II is available in two color options, anthracite and white.

  • High-precision drivers, Mathematically Modelled Dispersion™ (MMD™) waveguide
  • Linear frequency response 44 Hz … 21 kHz (±3 dB)
  • Linear phase response 120 Hz … 16 kHz (±45°) with latency <2.6 ms
  • DSP inside allows for room adaptive alignment via Neumann’s MA 1
  • Razor sharp imaging due to extremely low tolerances (±0.5 dB)
  • May be combined with other KH line speakers in immersive or surround setups
Source: https://www.neumann.com/en-en/products/monitors/kh-120-ii/
 

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Further details -> up to 145 W to the 5.25” woofer and 100 W to the 1” tweeter! :oops:
For comparison -> Genelec 8030C/ G3 -> 50 W Bass (Class D) + 50 W Treble (Class D)


Source: https://www.neumann.com/en-en/products/monitors/kh-120-ii/
"higher SPL capability" is also a new information. I mean, 8Hz lower f3 AND higher SPL is pretty impressive! No doubt this will be a fantastic speaker for nearfield use.
 

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Further details -> up to 145 W to the 5.25” woofer and 100 W to the 1” tweeter! :oops:
For comparison -> Genelec 8030C/ G3 -> 50 W Bass (Class D) + 50 W Treble (Class D)


Source: https://www.neumann.com/en-en/products/monitors/kh-120-ii/

“Revolutionary” is a word that should be used only once! Or just avoid…

So they did keep the same driver diameter after all. Back when I used to listen really loud, I complained about the port air blasting through my neck/face. I’m afraid that this particular “problem” is going to be worse with this new model. :p
 

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Genelec should wake up and and update their 8000 series (which is16 years old now)Becaue Neumann is is starting to bypass them
 
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