Neumann KH120 II

[Rednaxela]

Yeah and, what's your point?

As I wrote.

This is why you were the one bringing up the aluminum discussion (again).

 

[Pearljam5000]

As I wrote.

Whatever , I'm done with this .

 

[dickiefunk]

I have to say, I’m finding this monitor very tempting! I’m trying to decide between KH120II + sub or KH150 without sub.

 

[CMB]

https://www.bax-shop.nl/studio-monitors/neumann-kh-120-ii-aes67-actieve-studiomonitor-per-stuk

All I can say to durability of aluminum, is I have 6 aluminum speakers from Piega that are over 20 years old and their cabinets are still as new and shiny as the first day, despite heavy domestic usage and multiple movings. The only inconvenience is that I therefore fear to be unable to justify replacing them anytime during my lifetime.

 

[Sokel]

What's wrong with plastic?
Kef Blades are made of it and they are fine.

 

[CMB]

Can we please stop falling into Pearljam5000's bullshit trap every time he is setting it up? He never had a any valid argument in this matter worth discussing. At least not more than one time. The KH150-thread alone went through his poisoning attempts several times already, not to mention countless other threads.
Same with the stupid price discussion from people who pretend to know anything about cost factors and calculations of manufacturers. You can be unhappy with a price (although some guy on the internet's personal opinion is uninteresting as f**k for others) but please stop suggesting knowing anything (about cost, profits and so on) you can't know.
Every time more of my brain cells commit suicide when i read this stupid discussions again.

The only referee in price value at the end of the day is the market, hence the consumer. No doubt that the free market with its opposed forces of offer and demand will ultimately regulate even Neumann speakers prices.

From there, for the consumer, as long as a competitive market is provided, the producers costs, profits can be totally irrelevant to him as long as he is not a shareholder or has any other interests in the financial health of the company.

Anyone should be able to assess for himself if the price seems justified or not and both opinions should be respected each side. Any escalation on this subjective topic seems so futile.

Certainly, it is not in the interest of the consumer to encourage higher pricing / company profits anyhow.

 

[YSC]

I predict the changes will be audible only when comparing side-by-side. Besides, with the KH 750 you get almost all the DSP advantages; at least the ones that MA1 offers. 20% off is a good deal, imo, and wouldn’t sweat it considering these will be double after tax.

I’m just seeing the product page. 44vs53Hz extension is F1-Ab1: a minor third lower and some flattening overall. Distortion and directivity can’t be extremely different. Of course they need to talk it up to sell it.

I guess a minor third in the bass could be noticeable assuming room resonances don’t distort it.

My point is don’t worry about these mk2s if you already have mk1s unless you need digital input or standalone DSP, imo.

Actually when placement is the same I doubt it will actually be audible at all unless you really crank to max SPL, they are so close to technical perfection in 2 way speakers when not driven too hard, way past the point of diminishing return to most

 

[Dharmaone]

You could, but then it applies wrong phase correction filters. It might be better than not having any correction at all, but still.

Regarding your original question, I see little advantage in using KH 120 II compared to KH 120 A when you already have the KH 750 DSP. So if you want to replace your monitors, you might want to consider the older model. The KH 120 A is a great speaker on its own. Any real improvement on it would involve something bigger, like a pair of KH 150 with a pair of KH 750 DSP.

Makes sense! I'll wait for reviews but unless they made drastic improvements, I think this is a cheaper path with similar results. Do you know how the KH-80 vs KH-120 is as satellites for KH-750? Some people have said they prefer the 80's with the sub vs the 120s with sub

 

[Spocko]

Not sure lighter = better ...

For me it's purely functional & practical because I have my speakers floating on arms above expensive grading monitors!
Gotta choose your priorities right?

 

[Spocko]

Are people not allowed to complain or say they like aluminum more than MDF or plastic?

Yeah , whatever

I agree with you in that aluminum is likely more expensive to source/cut/manufacture than MDF and this is similar to the move from expensive tube equipment to cheaper solid state transistors - the former is heavier, proven and more expensive but the latter performs better despite being cheaper to manufacture, or going from automatic to quartz watches. Ultimately, you are probably right in that Neumann is saving money but Neumann's response is "if it sounds better, so what?"

Obviously, we can argue that had the KH120ii used aluminum it would be even BETTER but alas, that's not available to compare.

 

[Spocko]

I have to say, I’m finding this monitor very tempting! I’m trying to decide between KH120II + sub or KH150 without sub.

KH120 with a sub will get you full range performance that KH150 can never compare - I'd always get the sub if it's full range I want.

 

[changer]

This argument is incomplete. Until we know what acoustic phenomenon caused this user to prefer the bigger woofer speaker over the smaller, both playing with a sub and essentially having the same bandwidth, but where he preferred the bigger over the smaller for subjective better upper base performance, I would not agree: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...a-impressions-and-in-room-measurements.23034/

 

[boxerfan88]

Whatever , I'm done with this .

Finally! Goodbye.

 

[Pearljam5000]

Finally! Goodbye.

I'm done with that argument , don't worry I'm not going anywhere

 

[HarmonicTHD]

I'm done with that argument , don't worry I'm not going anywhere

Why do you bring up that stupid aluminum discussion in every Neumann or Genelec thread? How often do people have to explain to you that it doesn’t matter for SQ.

 

[Pearljam5000]

Why do you bring up that stupid aluminum discussion in every Neumann or Genelec thread? How often do people have to explain to you that it doesn’t matter for SQ.

For the 100th time
I mentioned the aluminum in the context of the price raise , and after a member asked if it's aluminum or not
Also, it may have nothing to do with SQ(which is something I disagree with )
It's still a more expensive and durable material than MDF no matter how you look at it

 

[oversky]

Why do you bring up that stupid aluminum discussion in every Neumann or Genelec thread? How often do people have to explain to you that it doesn’t matter for SQ.

It's me who asked about cabinet material.
I don't know that would activate such discussion.

From the official document,
transport and storage temperature is the only difference I found that material could matter.
I have guessed operation temperature and humidity in the beginning.
But I was wrong.

KH 120
Transport and storage, packed in original packaging –25 °C to +70 °C (–13 °F to +158 °F)

KH 80 & KH 150
Transport and storage, packed in original packaging –25 °C to +60 °C (–13 °F to +140 °F)

 

[Sokel]

For the 100th time
I mentioned the aluminum in the context of the price raise , and after a member asked if it's aluminum or not
Also, it may have nothing to do with SQ(which is something I disagree with )
It's still a more expensive and durable material than MDF no matter how you look at it

Time is the ultimate judge in some cases:

(from a quick search at the used market)

 

[CMB]

Finally! Goodbye.

Why do you bring up that stupid aluminum discussion in every Neumann or Genelec thread? How often do people have to explain to you that it doesn’t matter for

Please, can this discussion stop to turn disrespectful and offensive each time?

If there would be measured proof of the superiority of one material over the other, that question would not be raised regularly.

Science is made by constant questionning, as such it is legitimate and there is nothing stupid to raise that topic until it is scientifically answered.

I find the disrespectful arguments and annoyed reactions much more annoying and only contribute to spoil the thread.

 

[computer-audiophile]

It's me who asked about cabinet material.

I had also asked about this and am grateful for this information. My wife also thinks the aluminium housing is of higher quality. After more than 10 years, my old KH120a's still looked as perfect as on the first day. The price-tag is also important to me. If the price level drops to about the value of the old ones, I might consider buying new ones.

BTW: When I buy a Rolex, I also expect the metal to be milled from the solid. Otherwise, I could go for a Swatch.