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Neumann KH120 II

Wouldn’t the Genelec form factor simply be easier to execute in aluminum?
 
The KH 120 enclosure for sure is not entirely made from MDF but has also a plastic front and back. I wouldn't be so sure that is so much cheaper than Aluminium. We'll have to wait for reviews but I'm sure it will be a excellent speaker for the money. Built-in DSP alone will be well worth the extra money plus efficient class D amplifiers.
If you don't like it then don't get it, but please stop complaining about their design decisions. Btw, KH 120 II also lacks a Beryllium tweeter.
 
MrSoul4470 said:
The KH 120 enclosure for sure is not entirely made from MDF but has also a plastic front and back. I wouldn't be so sure that is so much cheaper than Aluminium. We'll have to wait for reviews but I'm sure it will be a excellent speaker for the money. Built-in DSP alone will be well worth the extra money plus efficient class D amplifiers.
If you don't like it then don't get it, but please stop complaining about their design decisions. Btw, KH 120 II also lacks a Beryllium tweeter.
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Where did I complain?
I Just said that considering the price increase they should have kept the aluminum .
 
And the other improvements are a free bonus? :rolleyes:

I believe they know what they do. And actually you kind of complain that it's too expensive.
 
Can we please stop falling into Pearljam5000's bullshit trap every time he is setting it up? He never had a any valid argument in this matter worth discussing. At least not more than one time. The KH150-thread alone went through his poisoning attempts several times already, not to mention countless other threads.
Same with the stupid price discussion from people who pretend to know anything about cost factors and calculations of manufacturers. You can be unhappy with a price (although some guy on the internet's personal opinion is uninteresting as f**k for others) but please stop suggesting knowing anything (about cost, profits and so on) you can't know.
Every time more of my brain cells commit suicide when i read this stupid discussions again.
 
You are free to like whatever cabinet material you like for whatever reasons you like (whether real or imagined), but its impact on the final retail price of the speaker no matter what direction Neumann might have gone is likely minimal.

You are paying for R&D, DSP, and a more powerful (not to mention more efficient) amplifier for starters, all in a brand new SOTA speaker that is being released during a global inflationary period the likes of which hasn't been seen in decades. Can we please move on, or at least split off this worn out topic to another thread for the three people who care?
 
Pearljam5000 said:
Are people not allowed to complain or say they like aluminum more than MDF or plastic?

Yeah , whatever
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You need to talk to the designers who at this level I'm sure, would have chosen the carcass materials VERY carefully!

I appreciate at a very much basic level, but KEF launched three very cheap and simple speakers a long time ago now, the Coda 7, 8 and floor standing 9! the Coda 7 sounded surprisingly good for a box that felt more like thick hardboard and with plastic front and rear. The thing is, it was discovered, I think by accident, that the box resonances aided the midrange where needed rather than smeared it and the whole in this instance really *was* better than the sum of the parts! The 8 had a larger main driver and could sound 'thicker' in balance as a result of the extra mid-bass balance, but the floor standing '9' was nice, with internal bass driver from memory..

I mention the above purely to suggest that the Neumann engineers appear to want to gently move their range forwards and I'm certain they wouldn't skimp on the cabs just to save a few bob and to hell with the performance ;)
 
Moonhead said:
Or better yet ban them for good.
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Yes , let's ban anyone that talks about prices and cabinet materials.
Anyways all these comments about me are kind of funny
1. I'm allowed to speak my mind about the price , and no one else would get the heat I'm getting for no reason like I do for some reason.
2..Like I said I didn't complain or said I like aluminum again out of thin air
A question was asked what was the cabinet materiel , then I said it's not aluminum
Then I said I would rather they have kept the aluminum considering the price increase(how horrible of me )
and some members agreed with me, that was it.
So yeah I'm getting attacked for no reason (again ).
 
Pearljam5000 said:
A question was asked what was the cabinet materiel , then I said it's not aluminum
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Correct.

However the question wasn’t what the speakers are not made of. This is why you were the one bringing up the aluminum discussion (again).
 
@Pearljam5000 : Sorry, but you're just repeating yourself over and over again. It's always about enclosure materials, woofer sizes and tweeter materials. Oh and of course everything is always too expensive. It's just tiring. I don't really follow threads that are beyond my price range or about products I dislike. I bet their new KH 120 II production line is up and running. It's too late to wish for design changes.
Don't get me wrong. People can talk about all those things, but not over and over again with no end in several threads simultaneously.
 
Rednaxela said:
Correct.

However the question wasn’t what the speakers are not made of. This is why you were the one bringing up the aluminum discussion (again).
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Well it didn't say anywhere what it was made of , not that I saw , and I assumed it wasn't aluminum so i tried to help the guy who asked, anything beyond that, that have been said about me,has nothing to do with me
 
MrSoul4470 said:
@Pearljam5000 : Sorry, but you're just repeating yourself over and over again. It's always about enclosure materials, woofer sizes and tweeter materials. Oh and of course everything is always too expensive. It's just tiring. I don't really follow threads that are beyond my price range or about products I dislike. I bet their new KH 120 II production line is up and running. It's too late to wish for design changes.
Don't get me wrong. People can talk about all those things, but not over and over again with no end in several threads simultaneously.
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It's not beyond my price range
If more people that want to buy the product would be more aware of prices and not just pay anything companies ask then maybe prices would start to go down instead of up.
I'm not talking about it in several threads at the same time , and if so then it's a coincidence and again , it's not that I'm not allowed to do it, so I don't understand what people's problems here , but like I said whatever .
 
I have just checked Thomann. Their German site said so far the KH 120 II would be available starting tomorrow - Now it says in a couple of months. Seems like they have already sold their whole contingent.
 
Pearljam5000 said:
Well it didn't say anywhere what it was made of , not that I saw , and I assumed it wasn't aluminum so i tried to help the guy who asked, anything beyond that, that have been said about me,has nothing to do with me
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No. This is what you wrote.

Pearljam5000 said:
It's not aluminum unfortunately ):
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Which is your opinion on the material (you apparently assumed) Neumann didn’t go for.
 
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