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Neumann KH120 II
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It highly depends on your room how big the effect of any subwoofer is.
If you can find a perfect spot for your main speakers ... the difference of the lowest octave depends on the music material you listen to.
For a professional setup it always helps to be able to listen to the whole spectrum. And also for enjoying music it's cool ... but you will "survive" without it.
The good thing is you don't have to decide now - start with the 120ii and upgrade when you think it's time for it.
For a professional setup it always helps to be able to listen to the whole spectrum. And also for enjoying music it's cool ... but you will "survive" without it.
The good thing is you don't have to decide now - start with the 120ii and upgrade when you think it's time for it.
i haven't done this. will try and let you know. i need to set up 120ii with ma1 then see how the difference could be.
For me it would be a Neumann set or the Ones. But I would also need a woofer with the Ones, so the over all system is pretty expensive. But these Coax design is really good, so when money is no problem I would go for the Ones + Subwoofer Array. Otherwise a Neumann system works very well and you probably don't have the feel you need something different/more/...
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I think many people underestimates (don't claim that you do) the quality improvements a subwoofer can bring to a stereo setup, but as you write it quickly becomes expensive. The calibration kit for the monitors (GLM for Genelec or MA1 for Neumann) can of course be used to see if a subwoofer is needed (say, big valleys in bass), and personally I wouldn't buy a DSP speaker from Genelec or Neumann without their respective calibration kits.
In my case the subwoofer (which has more placement options) would make a much better improvement in audio quality than the incremental improvement of Genelec 8331A over 8330A.
For the price of a pair of Genelec 8331A I instead bought a pair of 8330A with Genelec L-stands, 7360A subwoofer, the GLM Kit as well as cables, and still had a little of money left over.
Below is from my desktop setup in a corner in my home office as reported by GLM. It's the subwoofer, left and right monitor, and by choosing a crossover of 95 Hz I got a notably improved bass. Genelec uses a steep crossover slope of 48 dB/octave.
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pulled the trigger on the 120 II's! I already have the KH-750 (and MA-1) what's the best way to connect the whole system to my audio interface? Analog out from interface into KH-750 and analog out from KH-750 to the 120s? Or the other way around? Or can I connect KH-750 to 120 II with SPDIF?
I don't have spare digital outs on my interface (2 adat outs already connected to extra i/o)
Thanks!
I don't have spare digital outs on my interface (2 adat outs already connected to extra i/o)
Thanks!
i use analogue from connection between preamp and 750, the spdif from 750 to 120s. i compared analogue with spdif between 750 and 120s, at least analogue does not sounds better to me, so i eventually use spdif.
jmf11
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The KH120 II manual states:
If the signal source is based on internal digital signal processing, it is recommended
that you choose a digital connection between the signal source and the loudspeaker
This eliminates the need for additional signal conversion from digital to analog in the
source and from analog to digital in the loudspeaker This also applies if you are con-
necting to an upstream DSP subwoofer (e g KH 750 DSP) This should be connected to
the loudspeakers via its digital output
The fact that the KH120 II have a digital in is really a nice feature for me !
If the signal source is based on internal digital signal processing, it is recommended
that you choose a digital connection between the signal source and the loudspeaker
This eliminates the need for additional signal conversion from digital to analog in the
source and from analog to digital in the loudspeaker This also applies if you are con-
necting to an upstream DSP subwoofer (e g KH 750 DSP) This should be connected to
the loudspeakers via its digital output
The fact that the KH120 II have a digital in is really a nice feature for me !
YES, and you also have the option of receiving AES67 digital directly from something like the Neumann MT48 if that's what you prefer (this is what I went with personally)! FYI there are two KH120ii speakers and the AES67 capable one is $250 more per speaker.
This is why I replaced my digital interface with the Neumann MT 48 when I ordered the KH120 II: MacOS > USB-C > MT48 > AES67 > KH120 II. I do not like a bunch of XLR cables running all over. MT48 also supports ADAT, S/PDIF, and you also get onboard MIDI I/O which is a huge convenience for me.
. it's on the way.
You did the right thing my friend!
me? thank you.
Pearljam5000
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The Kh120 II is getting more buzz than KH150 lately
way cheaper than 150
I compared my KH 150's and KH 120 II's again yesterday. Other than a very very few songs with low bass, they sounded identical. I am very impressed with both of them. As a side note, I am impressed with how loud (accidentally) the KH 120 II's can be.
This the slightly modified mixing/mastering station in my studio. (Sorry if it looks almost the same as the other photo I posted).
You will be very happy
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A comparison/ measurement at listing position in a classic living room setup would be perfect (speaker relatively close to front wall + listening distance 3m). I assume/ hope the KH120 II could be possible fullrange, of cause with reduced SPL expectations (still enough for a rental apartment).
I use all of my Neumann monitors in very nearfeild. Based upon my experience and the recommendations of the Neumann audio engineers, I am not thrilled by their use as midfield or farfield speakers.
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