yeah I'm wondering about the price hike for these new versions.. I got these 310 A's used (extremely mint) for $5000 CAD +$100 shipping. Did the KH80's and KH120's exhibit a big price jump when they released the mk2/dsp versions ? Do you have any rough predictions for what the price jump might be ?
Primarily mixing, but to be fair I do tons of casual listening and even some gaming hooked up to the same computer. But in my mind, mixing/mastering is the primary goal, and I truly think when you have that dialed in, everything else sounds great as a by product anyways. Flat and neutral is just sexy to me across the board no matter what. If this dip that I am perceiving is actually a flat response and its my room changing the freq curve or even just my perception of it. I will figure it out and adjust to the "new normal" and get used to it. So yeah goal is flat and revealing..
Thats probably out of my price range yeah.. I mean I could afford it, but I also really need an entirely different room or way more treatment before entertaining a speaker of that caliber. Also, to be fair, I haven't heard ported speakers in that range, PSI and some others have some very highly rated monitors that are ported so I'm sure some of them deliver. Even Neumann's own KH420 is ported. Anyways I will consider those ATC's, especially if they pop up somewhere for a good deal, cheers.
To my ears the 25 is similar but voiced a liiiiittle bit warmer. Surprisingly it's basically equal in terms of SPL if not slightly better.
It is the room or mic. It is very impossible to get an accurate measurement of a monitor this way. I refer you to many in depth discussions of this topic here on ASR.
Alright I won't take these rough measurements seriously at all then. It won't prove anything obviously.... I won't post anything else on this issue for now. Thanks.
You still learned something from this ...... I admire your attitude of not being defensive. That is rare ability. ....... best wishes.
There was never an analog 4" Neumann monitor. The KH 120 II is not a version of the KH 120, but is more like a 5" variant of the KH 150. You should not compare them directly. And if we talk about pricing, the price difference between the KH 120 and the KH 120 II cannot be considered a "jump", especially when the latter is so technically different. You get a much better package for the price difference with the KH 120 II with better FR, phase correction, room EQ, lower hiss, higher SPL, digital inputs, more power output and higher power efficiency.
Hey, I appreciate the suggestion and I'll try what you said. I'm a little confused though, I understand the horizontal and vertical axis of these monitors, I also understand the axis starts between the mid dome and tweeter. But when you say: move it 1 meter from the left speaker. Do you mean off axis in a horizontal way ? like say move the mic in a circular horizontal way further left, so its aligned vertically still but completely out of position horizontally from the speaker, and test ? Or do you mean further or closer to the speaker in the same alignment ? You are intentionally going away from the beam of the mids/tweeter, yeah ? I would assume the mids and highs would drastically reduce in your suggestion ? unless I'm misunderstanding you...
Oh yeah this is very interesting, vertical alignment is obviously super key for this exact frequency range.. Honestly I am pretty sure my vertical alignment is on point though, I have them on 36" stands with isoacoustics aperta's putting them up another 2.75 inches and its basically got the tweeter at exactly ear height. I should probably have them up another 2 inches to get my ears exactly between the tweeter and midrange driver but I think its pretty close, I doubt its far enough off to affect the frequency response much at all, if any. I'm about 4'3" or so from the monitors btw if that matters. I'm really gonna take EXTRA careful consideration of this vertical alignment though after seeing this and in any future tests. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.Oh ... one more point, check the vertical alignment as well ... my KH310s are located higher than ear level, therefore I have angled them down pointing to MLP so that it's almost on-axis vertically.
See the blue blob in the 2kHz zone ...
The mic was very close to my head height (maybe a few inches lower) in my seated position, and the speakers are about 4'3" away from my listening position on each side. The right one has a little bit of some desk in front of it maybe about a foot below it, its not much but it might create some reflections and affect the response (this is temporary, waiting for a new stand). But ironically, according to the tests, the left one which has nothing to reflect in front of it, is the one that showcases more of this dip. I am pretty willing to accept its something in my setup, in fact I HOPE its something in my setup that can be corrected. My gut instinct though is that it doesn't feel like a room issue though, feels like its there no matter what placement or setup I have them in. It might just be the frequency curve of these monitors. But I'm certainly not convinced just yet....
Thx for your take on Neumann, out of interest what speakers did replace your KH310... a lot of good people in here seem to prefer coaxial.
Genelec 8351A + added W371A after a year, stupid expensive and ugly but it was worth it from a business perspective. I also had KH120 for a while and they were great as well, I've done a lot of work on them without any subwoofer
Of course, if you are using subwoofers crossed at 80Hz (LR4), you are considerably relieving the KH310 woofer. I am using such a setup (see my signature), and I do not perceive their sound being "boxy" - at least at usually levels.
Its funny, I totally agree on how ugly these are. I hear they are excellent speakers though. And its embarrassing to admit, but the look of them is a small factor in why I didn't consider them. Maybe I will in the future though..
