Neumann KH 150 Monitor Review

[HQY]

- Also I am looking for floor stands since they are a bit big, I was Looking into Kanto Stands (SP26L, SX22), there are any other good looking/compatible floor stands for the KH150?

i'd recommend sound anchors. https://www.soundanchors.com/

 

[Infinit0]

What decision did you make in the end?

I am in almost the same spot but not sure if KH120II and sub or KH150 and sub (or two) but I am waiting to the new KH310II Next year because is a lot of money and I want to be sure

 

[danbei]

Since the impressive results of the KH150 I wonder how good it's going to be the new Neumann KH310II if they release it next years as it supossed to with all the same improvements + DSP. I cannot wait!

A KH310II has been annonced?

 

[Infinit0]

A KH310II has been annonced?

They replied by dm and in their YouTube Channel that going to release Next year the new KH310II. So from now to 12 months they Will release it. Yea

 

[boxerfan88]

Yeah, IIRC I saw it somewhere in here…

KH310II next year
KH420II 4-5 years away.

 

[Infinit0]

Yeah, IIRC I saw it somewhere in here…

KH310II next year
KH420II 4-5 years away.

Yes It was mentioned in this forum I just cant found the picture but I have the YouTube reply

 

[Infinit0]

 

[IamJF]

I am in almost the same spot but not sure if KH120II and sub or KH150 and sub (or two) but I am waiting to the new KH310II Next year because is a lot of money and I want to be sure

The KH310ii will still not be a fullrange speaker down to 20Hz ... so you could still have a good use for 1-2 KH750. And that's probably 8k all together.
But I'm sure it will be a great speaker and am looking forward to it.

 

[Infinit0]

I suspect that It Will go lower than KH150 and for being a 3 way Will have the best mids of the three models. Also they probably Will increase the SPL
But yeah for the last octave u Will need (1 or 2) subs for sure

 

[VTKZ]

I suspect that It Will go lower than KH150 and for being a 3 way Will have the best mids of the three models. Also they probably Will increase the SPL
But yeah for the last octave u Will need (1 or 2) subs for sure

The question is, is it worth it. A 310 II will be for sure more expensive. The 310 is now already at 2100€ p. unit. When we talk about a Pairprice for 310 II over 5K its not worth it compared to a 750+120 Solution (for my taste). I owned all 3x 120,150 (actual),310 and the differences are so small in tonality, its all on such a high level. I even liked the 120 more in terms of midrange compared to the 310.

I personally dont care about more - or other Monitor Versions, they are not realy better in terms of sound quality. We already reach the finest sound quality. But of course great that Neumann woke up and finally build DSP Monitors, Genelec does that successfully since years. My hope is a way bigger Subwoofer Range, the possibility for Multi Sub / Arrays (like DBA or SBA) and hopefully an external MA1 Device / Box for easy connections. That would be a step forward in terms of usability and quality in the product range. Something bigger in the 12" or 14" woofer range.... we will see what the future brings

 

[Infinit0]

The question is, is it worth it. A 310 II will be for sure more expensive. The 310 is now already at 2100€ p. unit. When we talk about a Pairprice for 310 II over 5K its not worth it compared to a 750+120 Solution (for my taste). I owned all 3x 120,150 (actual),310 and the differences are so small in tonality, its all on such a high level. I even liked the 120 more in terms of midrange compared to the 310.

I personally dont care about more - or other Monitor Versions, they are not realy better in terms of sound quality. We already reach the finest sound quality. But of course great that Neumann woke up and finally build DSP Monitors, Genelec does that successfully since years. My hope is a way bigger Subwoofer Range, the possibility for Multi Sub / Arrays (like DBA or SBA) and hopefully an external MA1 Device / Box for easy connections. That would be a step forward in terms of usability and quality in the product range. Something bigger in the 12" or 14" woofer range.... we will see what the future brings

In sound signature they are all the same for sure
But we are talking about more SPL for bigger rooms or far away distances.
For example, if I want to listen the monitors at 2.2 meters I can't use a KH120(I can, but is not recommended) so I must go against a KH150 or a KH310... That's the reason.
If I were at 90-150 cm probably with a KH80 or KH120 is enough for sure.

 

[VTKZ]

But how many home users need that. Maybe the fun factor is higher when you put in a 420 or 310 because you can crank it up but i would probably experiment with more subs when i need higher volumes. But i’m ,,only,, a home user, i use monitors since years for movies & music listening as main setup (near / midfield) and they work perfectly for me. I think its also more about acoustics. When i had a big mastering or mixing regie with full acoustic treatment, and i spend once the money i would probably also choose soffit mounted 420s with subs. But yea sometimes the bigger speaker is the one wich makes more fun, wich can be also a factor as producer i think

 

[IamJF]

My hope is a way bigger Subwoofer Range, the possibility for Multi Sub / Arrays (like DBA or SBA) and hopefully an external MA1 Device / Box for easy connections. That would be a step forward in terms of usability and quality in the product range. Something bigger in the 12" or 14" woofer range.... we will see what the future brings

All the manufacturers are still sleeping in terms of bass arrays. We need a central unit where we can extend subwoofers to the need of the room. I don't want a woofer to be a central logic and power point - it's a little wooden box somewhere hidden in the room.
Trinnov now starts with bass arrays ... let's hope manufacturers wake up.

 

[VTKZ]

All the manufacturers are still sleeping in terms of bass arrays. We need a central unit where we can extend subwoofers to the need of the room. I don't want a woofer to be a central logic and power point - it's a little wooden box somewhere hidden in the room.
Trinnov now starts with bass arrays ... let's hope manufacturers wake up.

yea i hope too. A friend of mine use miniDSP and 4x big DIY Subs combined with Genelec 8341 wich was a nightmare to set of because youve unlimited flexibility in the software in terms of crossover freq. The problem is how can you find the perfect setting when you cant A-B Test it.
But now everything works with his setup and the Freq Response is a dream. In terms of acoustic, he has only a thick Acoustic ceiling in the complete appartment but that makes already such a big difference. Pretty flat response across the freq range. Its a complex topic but done right its a dream and can solve a lot of bass problems… but Neumann said they already work on a homecinema MA1 Update. Pretty curious what the future of MA1 will be. But i‘m not sure how it works when you use 4x (or more) KH750 + the main monitors, the room would be full of LAN Cables and Switches… I personally would prefer a outsourced out DSP Engine (like other Room Correction Companys - Trinnov, ConeQ, Minidsp etc) but that will probably never happen. Like a Trinnov but with the MA1 Software and 15-20 outputs. But i dont think that neumann / sennheiser is the Company for that who build such devices

 

[Trell]

but Neumann said they already work on a homecinema MA1 Update. Pretty curious what the future of MA1 will be. But i‘m not sure how it works when you use 4x (or more) KH750 + the main monitors, the room would be full of LAN Cables and Switches

The cables and switch is only needed during setup and can then be removed if the user wants to.

 

[VTKZ]

The cables and switch is only needed during setup and can then be removed if the user wants to.

i know, i also detached the cables. But i think it would be easier when youve only one DSP Engine where you can setup everything. One LAN Cable into one Device. Like a Trinnov as i said. So in other words one Neumann DAC / PreAmp / Processor for everything like a Trinnov Altitude. Its just a idea how can room correction can be made easier in terms of future upgrades in the product range

 

[IamJF]

When Neumann would design a Trinnov like Preamp ... it's very likely not less expensive as a Trinnov ...
The DSP in the speakers is necesarry and it would not make any sense to put these externally. So you need a network and digital signal cable and power cable for evey speaker - so it is. But I would love a central low frequency control unit which only needs to do a little more as what they have now in the KH750 - EQ and filter 2-4 different subwoofers and no mains.

(p.s.: Mini DSP is one of the easiest control surfaces. Try a Hypex ... )

 

[VTKZ]

When Neumann would design a Trinnov like Preamp ... it's very likely not less expensive as a Trinnov ...
The DSP in the speakers is necesarry and it would not make any sense to put these externally. So you need a network and digital signal cable and power cable for evey speaker - so it is. But I would love a central low frequency control unit which only needs to do a little more as what they have now in the KH750 - EQ and filter 2-4 different subwoofers and no mains.

(p.s.: Mini DSP is one of the easiest control surfaces. Try a Hypex ... )

never owned a minidsp or hypex but i saw how frustrated my friend was with his DBA and how much problems he had with the software, brand new defect devices, wrong licence keys and many more problems. I listened once to a hypex system. The Guy rebuild and activated an passive ATC SCM40 with externlal Hypex Amps, mini dsp etc very complex but he got it and it sounds phenomenal - the room was also perfect and its by far my favorite system i listened. But yea, to open and activate a passive 5.6k € speaker is not a daily business :-D specially he uses one mini dsp for every way. So 6x miniDSP 2x4 HD in the setup… i dont know how he done that exactly but yea.. freak :-D but the result was it worth, it was for me the perfect speaker in a perfect room.

 

[teashea]

I hope viewers on this thread will also take a look at the new tests/measurements by Amir for the KH120 II. Just like the KH 150 (except bass extension) - which is what I expected from listening to my KH 150's and KH 120 II's.

 

[Ruby Gomez]

I received one of the two ordered KH150. In use I noticed it becomes really hot at the back. That was not what I expected from class D amps. Is this normal? Do others have the same experience?