phoenixdogfan
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Measures as well as any bookshelf I've seen reviewed and have their own amps and will play loud. All for $3500/pr.
You pay extra for dsp right? Or is it included?KH310 and 8050 do not have room correction DSP so its an apple with pears comparison. Its direct competitor is 8340 which is older and does not have the same measured performance and its list price is similar to the KH150 one, it is offered cheaper though because it is older.
This persisted across many tracks which I contribute to nice bass extension. That led me into thinking subbass response would be good as well. That was not the case. Much of it is filtered due to sharp drop off in response. So for that, you still need a sub or a much larger monitor.
Wow, wow, wow! This is some impressive bass coming out of this speaker! It was resonating not only my desk and chair but my entire loft! I cranked it way up and then I could detect a bit of distortion but if you were not looking for it, you would be plenty satisfied.
Does it really matter what it is ?That is diffraction above XO range.
I always viewed the DI trend line more like two or more slopes (1 per driver) rather than a continuous line. More like this:
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The woofer purple and the tweeter yellow. That peak being a simple artifact of wher they meet, because of their differing angles. Am I wrong about that?
and the ability to design and manufacture a wave guide + deeply customize a DSP ampTo get the objective result on par with kh150 you need custom designed drivers and a klippel measurement system .
Add to this the know-how of Neumanns engineers and you are read to go.![]()
One small comment about this. Amir should stop using his artistic talents for drawing multiple lines over measurements. Possible S shape compared to smooth line/arc also in that case can or should be visualized with a single line or arc. Not with two separate lines which are drawn to create or emphasis some assumed problem visually.The Directiva R1 has a blatant directivity mismatch (that has been discussed to death on the directiva threads). the KH150 is arguably more text book perfect.
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I drew these lines.One small comment about this. Amir should stop using his artistic talents for drawing multiple lines over measurements. Possible S shape compared to smooth line/arc also in that case can or should be visualized with a single line or arc. Not with two separate lines which are drawn to create or emphasis some assumed problem visually.
For 1000 Euro more you will get the KH310 which is not so harshly cut-off at the low end (at 30 Hz there's 20 dB difference between KH310 and KH150).
Therefore, in the long run I guess it is a more satisfying speaker which sounds more "complete" on it's own without urgent need for a subwoofer.
I think yes. Otherwise members are just guessing and blaming some design detail without actual knowledge that better applications are possible and exist in real life. Just praising brand or false interpretation of measurements or reviewer's short subjective comments about on-axis listening using single speaker.Does it really matter what it is ?
Actually, one of the advantages i see on these is the possibility to add a sub properly integrated without spending significant $$ in additional boxes and softwareIn my opinion the KH150 is somehow oddly placed - despite being a great speaker.
Especially, if you're thinking about an upgrade from KH120 or any other speaker in that range.
The additional low end is simply not enough to justify it.
I can imagine that after some time you will end up wishing for more bass extension or a subwoofer, again.
For 1000 Euro more you will get the KH310 which is not so harshly cut-off at the low end (at 30 Hz there's 20 dB difference between KH310 and KH150).
Therefore, in the long run I guess it is a more satisfying speaker which sounds more "complete" on it's own without urgent need for a subwoofer.
Reading amirs' comments on KH150 and K310 bass response is also clear indication that KH150 is not an option if you want somehow "full range":
KH150:
KH310:
True, but I would not say "much":The KH310 is also a much larger speaker than the KH150.
Ok. Draw line or arc next time to see that it's just S shaped +/- difference compared to smooth version.I drew these lines.
Yes, room acoustics matter there a lot but I think this also a matter of personal preference, there is a significant percentage of listeners who like to immerse into the (suitable for that) recordings like in nearfield listening and for such a high direct sound percentage is necessary.Higher directivity is not required or at least not the best solution imo when listening distance increases. Of course massive directivity and radiating area could move sound images closer and make them bigger, but acoustic resolution is maintained to very long distance with adequate room acoustics (=without flutter echo). So that is the best approach if possible.
SoonDoes it come in white?
Also of the increased vertical directivity at the crossover point since it is not a coincidental design. And yes, as with many loudspeakers with large directivity tweeters it has some constant directivity characteristics which cause that change of slope.I always viewed the DI trend line more like two or more slopes (1 per driver) rather than a continuous line. More like this:
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The woofer purple and the tweeter yellow. That peak being a simple artifact of wher they meet, because of their differing angles. Am I wrong about that?
You pay extra like GLMYou pay extra for dsp right? Or is it included?
I saw something like Eur 250?
The DSP hardware is included in the loudspeaker, the measuring microphone and software costs extra, same like the GLM package of Genelec.You pay extra for dsp right? Or is it included?
I saw something like Eur 250?
I think yes. Otherwise members are just guessing and blaming some design detail without actual knowledge that better applications are possible and exist in real life. Just praising brand or false interpretation of measurements or reviewer's short subjective comments about on-axis listening using single speaker.