Network converters ?

[respice finem]

You are all in luck! I am just about to launch my new audiophile switch, here is the pre-production prototype...

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Add something with "AI" and you can double the price

 

[voodooless]

It's not a recommendation to buy it or even consider it

Then why even bring it up… especially without any dismissal.

 

[DSJR]

The poster who suggested there was ‘noise’ on your network doesn’t by any chance happen to sell expensive network switches?
Keith

Apparently, it's all about reproducing the very back of the recorded acoustic/room/venue better...

 

[Bigron]

Can we please stop recommending solutions to nonexistent problems

To be fair he wasn’t recommending anything, just responding to the link I posted.

 

[Bigron]

What noise is that? Do you have noise problems?

It’s not noise you can hear, that would be to simplistic. This is noise that can’t hear, but it degrades the sound quality.

 

[Bigron]

You are all in luck! I am just about to launch my new audiophile switch, here is the pre-production prototype...

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Looks like a MUST HAVE to me. It’s on the internet, so it must be.
Does it come with a money back guarantee not to make a jot of difference?

 

[DVDdoug]

It’s not noise you can hear, that would be to simplistic. This is noise that can’t hear, but it degrades the sound quality.

As I said, any data corruption DOES sound like noise or dropouts or "glitches", or you get no sound at all, etc. It's usually gross and "unlistenable".

You've probably heard a CD that clicks, skips, or just stops playing. Or more commonly, you've probably watched a DVD that has glitches in the audio or video, or you've seen glitches on broadcast or cable TV.

And if you've got audio data problems there's no easy way to know the cause or solution.

 

[amirm]

 

[Beave]

It’s not noise you can hear, that would be to simplistic. This is noise that can’t hear, but it degrades the sound quality.

 

[Bigron]

I know, I can tell from your emoji you’re shocked at this revelation.

 

[Berwhale]

It’s not noise you can hear, that would be to simplistic. This is noise that can’t hear, but it degrades the sound quality.

How can it degrade the sound quality if you can't hear it?

 

[voodooless]

It’s not noise you can hear, that would be to simplistic. This is noise that can’t hear, but it degrades the sound quality.

Okay… so it’s homeopathic noise?

So what are the alleged mechanisms at play here? What noise are we talking about? How is it generated? How can something we can’t hear lead to something we apparently can hear?

 

[Bigron]

Okay… so it’s homeopathic noise?

So what are the alleged mechanisms at play here? What noise are we talking about? How is it generated? How can something we can’t hear lead to something we apparently can hear?

Ok, this stems from another forum were someone was asking how he could improve his streaming quality to match his CD.
My reply was I didn’t think he could significantly improve his streaming, because I believe digital is a pretty much sorted medium.
Anyway, it was pointed out to me that I was talking “ Absolute Bollocks”
And some sort of network filter was the answer, so I posted on here to see what the evidence for this was. And it turns out, there isn't any, or so it seems.

 

[voodooless]

Well, you should ask over there for evidence, not here

 

[respice finem]

This was probably an instance of the famous "never argue..."

A quote by Mark Twain

Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

www.goodreads.com

 

[Keith_W]

There is a difference between CD and streaming, but it stems from the nature of error correction and not "network noise". If a streamer receives a bad packet, it is requested again. If it keeps failing, the error is heard as a dropout - a temporary interruption of music, or stuttering. OTOH CD is a real-time digital stream. If data is missing or corrupted, it is interpolated (Reed-Sternberg error correction). If a LOT of data is missing, it is audible as stutter. The amount of noise in the network does not matter as long as a 1 is reliably detected as a 1, and a 0 as a 0. It only matters if there is so much noise that enough data corruption occurs to cause audible dropouts, and that is rare. It's either perfect, or you hear stutter. So your friends have it the wrong way round - streaming is superior to CD.

 

[respice finem]

This, and, "God knows" what the provider did with the signal, it is even the same mix/mastering etc.
And mostly, SPL equalization is nonexistent or "by ear" = also nonexistent.

Last but not least: Why stream what I already have on CD? (in my case, FLAC)

 

[Bigron]

Well, you should ask over there for evidence, not here

I did, but when you’re talking Absolute Bollocks, they don’t seem to want to listen.
Which is fair enough I suppose. Apparently you don’t need evidence, the price should tell you it works. I mean who in their right mind is going to pay loads of money for something that’s serves no useful purpose?

 

[respice finem]

...I mean who in their right mind is going to pay loads of money for something that’s serves no useful purpose?

It happens regularly to millions of tax payers

 

[voodooless]

If data is missing or corrupted, it is interpolated (Reed-Sternberg error correction)

In fact, the vast majority of errors are corrected totally without loss. You can drill a 2mm hole in your disc and it can still play 100 error-free. Interpolation is just the last ditch effort for uncorrectable errors.